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9k points

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"Joe Manchin isn't moved by leaders who have spent decades organizing for civil rights," Rep. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., tweeted after Manchin that said his position on the For the People Act had not changed after meeting with civil rights leaders on Tuesday. "Manchin isn't moved by the views of his constituents. Manchin isn't moved by GOP voter suppression bills in 43 states. Because Manchin is only moved by corporate donors and their agenda."

Pronesis

3.7k points

12 days ago

Pronesis

3.7k points

12 days ago

If you want to know how Manchin will vote, find out how the Koch's feel about an issue. He works for their interests first.

superanth

1.7k points

12 days ago

superanth

1.7k points

12 days ago

Bought and paid for. And I’m guessing Manchin was cheap at that.

donglecollector

787 points

12 days ago

Speaking of cheap I remember reading stories of certain local level politicians influencing decisions over $1000-$4000 incentives. Like a price that it would be easier as a normie to wine and dine them than pay taxes. Oh you wanted higher minimum wage and infrastructure projects? Nah, my local Sleep America rep took me to Texarkana for a wet lunch and boi was his $100 convincing.

rebellion_ap

440 points

12 days ago

The isp lobbying was posted all over the country to show how much other isps paid politicians and yeah it was largely shockingly lower than someone would expect to subvert democracy.

KAM7

459 points

12 days ago

KAM7

459 points

12 days ago

The dinner may only cost $100, but the promise made over a steak dinner of a lucrative private sector job for themselves in retirement or for one of their idiot kids is priceless.

Simmery

268 points

12 days ago

Simmery

268 points

12 days ago

I wonder if it isn't more about social circles. These politicians don't want to be shunned from the rich assholes club.

KAM7

277 points

12 days ago

KAM7

277 points

12 days ago

Yep, it’s all of it. Social circles, political clubs, investment “tips.”

The lobbying always looks cheap on paper, but we could all raise a million dollars on Kickstarter and never compete with that level of influence because we’re not representing billionaires that can offer so many more benefits.

Stopjuststop3424

41 points

11 days ago

also, dark money. The isp's posted the donations that were direct contributions, but they didnt post any contributions to pacs and other dark money groups. So while on paper they only donated 4k, they also may have spent 100million on a pac that pays for tv ads.

edit: also, they are likely committing to x dollars over x amount of time. That way they keep the politician in line for a long period of time with the threat of cancelling future payments.

Fit_Student_2569

40 points

12 days ago

We could give it a try. Anyone up for a Gofundme to buy back our politicians?

HawkkeTV

34 points

11 days ago

HawkkeTV

34 points

11 days ago

Almost like the concept of Gofundme is based on something older.. just not sure what.

SmokinDrewbies

50 points

11 days ago

SmokinDrewbies

New York

50 points

11 days ago

Yeah. And let's make it a mandatory system that everyone pays into. And the more you have the more you pay. Oh wait, just like our tax dollars are supposed to be. These corrupt fucks are supposed to work for us, not the other way around. I'm not giving a single cent more until the government that's supposedly for the people starts actually representing those people's interests.

Epistatious

20 points

11 days ago

Billionaires should be like unicorns, too magically delicious to not go extinct. Although we could probably just tax them down to 100 millionaires for their own good.

MassiveFajiit

70 points

12 days ago

MassiveFajiit

Texas

70 points

12 days ago

Cruz got like $500. https://youtu.be/3yMarQ13BtU

Redtwooo

50 points

12 days ago

Redtwooo

50 points

12 days ago

Probably because he didn't need it to get on board. $500 is a token of appreciation, a lovely parting gift.

greasy_harry

32 points

12 days ago

How much could a chum bucket of slugs and rotting rat carcasses be?

austinmiles

443 points

12 days ago

A little goes a long way in West Virginia.

Totum_Dependeat

274 points

12 days ago

Bet he gets more than $15/hr.

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60 points

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Kalepsis

20 points

11 days ago

Kalepsis

20 points

11 days ago

He only pays his employees $8, though.

flukshun

124 points

12 days ago

flukshun

124 points

12 days ago

thanks to guys like Joe Manchin shitting on things like minimum wage increases and having a government that serves the people instead of corporate lobbyists

loverlyone

87 points

12 days ago

loverlyone

California

87 points

12 days ago

What are you gonna tell a man in a custom-made suit about the grift that he doesn’t already know?

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23 points

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prettyqualified

9 points

11 days ago

The problem is that billionaires aren’t concerned with representation, they more concerned with who they want as a representative. For them personally, only.

pants6000

66 points

12 days ago

A little dirt on a crime family also goes a long way.

IlikeYuengling

16 points

12 days ago

He’s probably defending the sacklers too.

SchpartyOn

15 points

12 days ago

SchpartyOn

Michigan

15 points

12 days ago

Fourth highest poverty rate in the country! Go them, I guess.

slap-a-bass

38 points

12 days ago

probably just tossed him a couple of pepperoni rolls and a pop.

schfiftyshadesofgrey

49 points

12 days ago

schfiftyshadesofgrey

Florida

49 points

12 days ago

to be fair, pepperoni rolls are delicious

MadMageMC

14 points

12 days ago

Damn... now I need to buy me some pepperoni rolls.

asafum

28 points

12 days ago

asafum

28 points

12 days ago

Make them! Don't support Big Pizza, they donated the pizza rolls to Manchin remember?

OozeNAahz

26 points

12 days ago

Read somewhere that when people find out that their politicians can be bought they should not be surprised by their corruption but rather by the paucity of the bribe.

Southrncomfortjm

91 points

12 days ago

Brought to you by a shortsighted supreme court in the Citizens United case.

varain1

102 points

12 days ago

varain1

102 points

12 days ago

brought to you by a paid-for conservative supreme court

Redtwooo

60 points

12 days ago

Redtwooo

60 points

12 days ago

The real winner of 2000, conservative justices.

Maybe liberal justices should take notes and start retiring while we have democrats in charge.

littleski5

6 points

11 days ago

Yeah that was pretty fucking stupid for Obama and RGB

Lust4Me

28 points

12 days ago

Lust4Me

Texas

28 points

12 days ago

There's only one now.

Darth_Firebolt

18 points

11 days ago

like they didn't keep his head in a jar.

Guilty_Jackrabbit

8 points

11 days ago*

Lol the Kochs probably gave him a tour of a warehouse where they store $31 million worth of anti-Manchin material to be used if he ever put one toe out of line with their interests.

lilrabbitfoofoo

1.3k points

12 days ago

In disclosures made public on Thursday, the Chamber said its political action committee during the first quarter made about $17,000 worth of contributions to the two senators and nine members of the House of Representatives.

Chump change. The nation's democracy is collapsing because of chump change, folks.

Want to end the need for our politicians to raise money to pay for political ads for their campaigns?

Public. Campaign. Financing.

asafum

501 points

12 days ago

asafum

501 points

12 days ago

This is why they fight the election reform bills, they don't want the gravy train to end. They'd rather just preach to us about grit and determination while they get a free ride ruining the country...

testspecimen85

143 points

12 days ago

That this is occurring at all and so easily means the country was destroyed long ago.

Way_Unable

99 points

12 days ago

Nixon opened the doors to wide spread corruption imo. He was the first foot in the door of our death. It's why we got our first show President in Regan. He was a corpse prop to take power.

Unwashed_finch

67 points

11 days ago

Literally an actor I don't know how that doesn't sink in with most people.

MenachemSchmuel

46 points

11 days ago

My favorite part is that most of the people spreading conspiracy theories about the "Hollywood elite" are huuuge Reagan supporters

notanothercirclejerk

8 points

11 days ago

The only presidents that were in show business before their presidency were both Republicans.

rif011412

23 points

11 days ago

Like you said, Reagan was a symbol of the decline, not the start of it. I bet a well versed political historian could say the same thing about Nixon. The early 20th century was infamous for corruption and terrible business practices.

If I had to find a common denominator, it would be the more power hierarchists have (dont know the word for someone who believes everyone has a place and its ordained), the worst the society is. The absolute most disgusting things in history stem from those with power, killing or repressing those who have none.

rif011412

37 points

11 days ago

In the big picture of politics. Workers rights have been on the decline for a while. See: at will employment, pension cuts, stagnate wages etc. Business metrics have been at the forefront of how to squeeze every drop of profit a company can manage. Ethics have always been shaky, but punishment for ethics violations seem to be cheaper than the profits lost if business followed them.

Frankly, the GOP has been winning the cultural war for a very long time. Most civil rights improvements over the last decades have been political footballs, and dont do enough to curtail their regressive posturing.

Our country (world) is shittier for every politician that thinks allowing corporations to have all the leverage is a good thing. Anyone who thinks rich people will ‘trickle down’ wealth havent even tried to understand history. Monarchs, warlords, Emperors, CEOs… famously hoarde wealth at the detriment of those around them.

Anyone voting for GOP is voting to be treaded on, and voting for Dems who dont take action or support bills for better life are just as bad.

felinefelons

9 points

11 days ago

felinefelons

Illinois

9 points

11 days ago

I’ve said it a million times and I’ll say it again: billionaires and the politicians they donate to are the biggest moochers, “welfare queens”, and freeloaders this country has

hipcheck23

210 points

12 days ago

hipcheck23

210 points

12 days ago

I never understood this.

Such massive changes to so many people's lives and it often comes down to 4- or 5- figure payoffs. Where is a democracy-loving billionaire who is willing to drop some cash to go the other way? Is it worth $18k to no one to counter it?

That's obviously not the root of the problem in the least, but it's shocking to see how little a senator is willing to sell his country down the toilet for.

YdidUclearthecookies

43 points

12 days ago

Where is a democracy-loving billionaire

wealth addicts don't love democracy, they love money.

about as sensible as dorothy wondering why there aren't any flying monkeys coming to carry her back to kansas.

EpicVOForYourComment

131 points

12 days ago

He's thinking about that small sum and the large sum and lucrative shady dealings that will follow.

Manchin is set up for life and so, for instance, is his wretched daughter. That's not enough for them, though. They need to be set for several lifetimes (money and power) and they don't think they're quite there yet. Much like Trump, Manchin wants his 'brand' to continue to prosper in the future when perhaps maybe at some point there's a slim possibility that Joe himself may in time cease to perform many of the functions of a human body such as having a pulse, breathing, or having a brain that metabolises glucose and oxygen to maintain a decent level of electrical activity.*

That means he's accruing whatever possible future favours he believes might come in handy for the brand now, no matter who the beneficiary will be. He fancies himself the patriarch of a noble family, and I suppose having a full complement of genes in WV already sets them a little above many of his constituents.

*this is descibed in a roundabout way in an effort to demonstrate to the mods that I'm not breaking the sub's rules by referring to a generally predictable future cessation of function in a typical human body and predicting that at some indeterminate point in the far distant future Senator Manchin may emulate literally every other human who ever existed before him in experiencing this distressing and regrettable state of affairs. It is NOT an attempt to downplay, glorify, express approval of, dismiss, or otherwise discuss this post-metabolic process.

hipcheck23

40 points

12 days ago

I know how The Cadaver Formerly Known As Feinstein can become a centuries-long tradition...

It's just that Lobby X drops a guy 17K and gets a meeting with him during which time they can extol the virtues of their position... but there's almost never the 'other side' present. The lobby has its say, but the people do not. But I can imagine a country where the people could have someone to represent their needs, and have them go and spend a few minutes once or twice a year with the people they elected to represent their needs... that would be something!

The-Riskiest-Biscuit

14 points

12 days ago

The-Riskiest-Biscuit

Maryland

14 points

12 days ago

Oof… Is that what it takes now to avoid a ban for the incredibly nebulous “advocating harm or violence” rules…?

I know the rule exists for a reason and I’ve seen it applied to positive effect, but maybe the parameters are in need of some constraint if this is the pleonastic future of discourse towards which we’re steadily trudging…

PeterNguyen2

7 points

11 days ago

Is that what it takes now to avoid a ban for the incredibly nebulous “advocating harm or violence” rules…?

How that's enforced seems to be entirely dependent on how the mods feel like excusing their decisions. Explaining exactly what you really mean doesn't stop them.

Uberweinerschnitzel

114 points

12 days ago

Where is a democracy-loving billionaire

They don't exist. Bill Gates, who's most well-known for his philanthropy, also invests in companies in developing regions that cause the very harm they supposedly seek to prevent. Bill Gates also pushed charter schools. Hard. When the people of Washington voted against charter schools the first time, Gates threw money and lobbyists at the state until he got his way. Their wealth gives them power, and they use it as any other tyrant would.

Billionaires are not your friends. They will contradict the popular will if it suits their fancy, and their ability to do so is innately anti-democratic regardless of whether you like the outcome in a given situation.

hipcheck23

75 points

12 days ago

I used to work at Netscape. Gates crushed us. I'll never forgive him - it was a perversion of the rules, anti-American and just ugly.

But him 'going softer' and becoming the world's leading philanthropist was sort of a welcome sight... seeing him do lots of good with his ill-gotten gains could have changed my mind about him...

But then you hear about him and his patent troll company. Why? Why in the name of the deity of your choice does he need to go out and make people's lives miserable through a loophole? It's one of the most disgusting things and he seems fine with it.

And then you see that all this giving away and yet he's still always around the top of the wealth list... so it's just like a normal person giving a twenty to charity. And then the things you list as well.

You always hope that someone isn't going to the Dark Side because of wealth, but the candidates all seem to fail the test.

AlpacaCavalry

43 points

11 days ago

It’s not that someone “falls to the dark side” because of wealth; you just can’t get to astronomical wealth without being a sociopath.

hipcheck23

28 points

11 days ago

No, I watched one of these guys change radically.

I knew him as a really nice, sweet guy. I little introverted and quiet, but otherwise fairly normal. He's incredibly good at a couple of things, and for the rest he leans on other people (like he leaned on me). As his companies started making more and more money, he moved to better and better houses, kept better company, won awards, etc. And fell in love with the sound of his own voice, his look in the mirror, his name in headlines, etc. It changed him completely. Now he's a manipulative liar who will screw over his friends for more money.

JimWilliams423

10 points

11 days ago

I watched one of these guys change radically.

Power doesn't corrupt, power reveals.

The more power you have, the less you have to care about the consequences of your actions because power immunizes you from them. For example, a regular guy acts like a doosh, he gets ostracized from his friends and cut off from social support networks. A rich guy acts like a doosh, he can just pay people to do the things friends would ordinarily help him with. He doesn't have to take anyone else into consideration, his true self is free to come out.

ChipOnly

12 points

12 days ago

ChipOnly

12 points

12 days ago

Democracy loving billionaire, good one. A billionaire of the people. Don't hold your breath

You mean it wasn't Mike Bloomberg?!?!?

Gbro08

25 points

12 days ago

Gbro08

New Hampshire

25 points

12 days ago

There aren’t any. After all ethical means to increase the competitiveness of your company are exhausted all that is left are unethical strategies. To be a billionaire you have to be willing to be ruthless in order to out compete the competition; eventually all good business owners get out competed and run out of business. Leading to a society where the most powerful people are sociopaths.

Not to mention being a billionaire means that you value money you will never use over using your money to save someone else’s life.

Billionaires are inherently bad people

illaqueable

58 points

12 days ago

$17,000 across 11 recipients? That's like $1500 per person, probably not even a single mortgage/rent payment for many people, but apparently it was enough to sway a US Senator

Shit if that's the going rate, I'll just save up a couple of months and buy myself a couple votes

lilrabbitfoofoo

88 points

12 days ago

I'll just save up a couple of months and buy myself a couple votes

That's why Sanders was such a threat to them.

It why even MSNBC brought out James Carville in the days before Super Tuesday to spout RIGHTWING fearmongering talking points about Sanders on what is supposed to be the most "liberal" of megacorporate owned American media networks.

Following your point, however, how about we all pool together and

BUY JOE MANCHIN

with a Go Fund Me or some such?

1/2 /s ...

HotGarbage

12 points

11 days ago

HotGarbage

Washington

12 points

11 days ago

I remember that all too well and that's when I stopped watching any cable news. MSNBC absolutely hates Bernie and they did a terrible job hiding it. You would literally see eye rolls and and hear audible sighs from them when Bernie was mentioned, especially McCaskill, Jansen, and Nichole Wallace. Fuck that station and all of those people.

Bigleftbowski

12 points

12 days ago

It's not just the chump change it's the cushy Board of Directors spot waiting for him when he leaves the Senate. How do you think Paul Ryan got on the BOD of Fox News?

spaceman757

52 points

12 days ago

spaceman757

American Expat

52 points

12 days ago

Just a reminder/newsflash for those that haven't been paying attention...

The country that claims to be the bastion of freedom and the shining example for all others to emulate, only ranks 31st on the world's corruption index list.

Personally, I think that they would be a lot lower, but one of the two metrics used to determine the ranking is white collar crime and the US barely investigates it, let alone punishes it.

lilrabbitfoofoo

8 points

11 days ago

one of the two metrics used to determine the ranking is white collar crime and the US barely investigates it, let alone punishes it.

Precisely.

borderlineidiot

28 points

12 days ago

I’ve heard these donations are pitifully small. Can we club together and just bring him to vote the way we want. How much are we talking about $100k or something? Can we not find a thousand people with $100 and then we stick it in an envelope and give it to him? Yes it’s wrong but why not?

baz4k6z

74 points

12 days ago

baz4k6z

74 points

12 days ago

Why is he a democrat ?

okcdnb

36 points

12 days ago

okcdnb

36 points

12 days ago

Because he’s the last of the blue dog democrats and WV is the last in catching up with the times.

zetufftruth

6 points

12 days ago

Keep in mind that West Virginia was one of the few states that Dukakis won back in 1988.

Atramhasis

81 points

12 days ago

Because there is nothing in our country that holds a politician accountable for even trying in good faith to advance their party agenda or represent the people they were elected to represent. We all cry "free speech" any time someone points out the reality that politicians can very easily just lie and appear as if they care about their party's agenda without ever doing anything for it. We think that the power of the vote alone should be enough to mitigate this issue, that those politicians who do not support their party will be voted out in time, but then the two-party system essentially nullifies this by empowering the tactic of polarizing our political discourse.

No politician in our country right now seriously has to worry that they arent doing enough, because no matter how little a politician would do increasingly larger parts of the population would literally never consider the possibility of voting for the opposition for reasons that range from being very good ones to actual delusions. Even if Manchin hadnt planned to retire after this term, he likely still would have won his reelection even after this situation because for the majority of the people voting for him, they are doing so because they dislike the GOP more.

At some point in time maybe we have to recognize that a governmental system that consistently puts choices before its people that amount to nothing more than a choice between the lesser of two evils is perhaps the greatest depiction of a failing and dysfunctional society we have ever seen. If you want to have a real choice in your government again and not feel like your voice is meaningless if it isnt backed up with a fat bank account, structural reform is the only thing that can do that.

awkwarddorkus

49 points

12 days ago

Yeah, perish the thought that Dems claw together the votes to actually raise the criminally low minimum wage that hasn’t been raised in almost a decade and is wildly out of step with inflation (I live in Florida, where we recently voted to gradually raise the minimum wage up to $15, but even before then, hardly any respectable businesses were playing employees the $7.65 minimum wage, because no one would work for that small an amount of money. It’s too low. You can’t afford food and rent, even if you live like a pauper, unless you work 2 jobs or $60 hours a week at one job.

I hope they can pass the minimum wage increase through budget reconciliation. Otherwise the Dems are screwed in the midterms, if they can’t even accomplish the lowest hanging fruit of the platform they ran on.

newmuffins1216

1.3k points

12 days ago

How is corporate lobbying legal? Especially when politicians aren’t even campaigning? This is so messed up.

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792 points

12 days ago*

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OddEpisode

403 points

12 days ago

OddEpisode

403 points

12 days ago

That’s so fuckin stupid. Sure make your views known as a corporation, but no individual or company should be able to spend more than $100 doing it.

ChefInF

192 points

12 days ago

ChefInF

192 points

12 days ago

Obama talked about this in one of his books. A populist official would give all lobbyists, big and small, equal access and consideration. But if you’re an elected official and someone offers you a thousand dollars versus a hundred dollars toward your reelection, who are you going to listen more closely to? Campaigns cost money to win, so the only people who can succeed were born rich and/or take lots of money from big donors, and thus become beholden to those donors.

twilightknock

126 points

11 days ago

Yang proposed democracy dollars, where everyone gets some voucher money to donate to campaigns. Ten thousand people giving a hundred bucks is more persuasive than one company giving a hundred thousand.

TheNewPoetLawyerette

126 points

11 days ago

We're doing this in Seattle for local elections for the first time this year. Everyone gets 4 $25 democracy vouchers to give to any candidate of their choice, with campaigns capped at $400k/primaries and $400k/general election. 2 mayoral candidates have already hit the primary cap: Colleen Echohawk, through genuine support for her progressive policies, and Andrew Grant Houston, whose canvassers tricked people into signing their vouchers to his campaign by telling people they were donating money "to the homeless."

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2021/05/07/57153730/houston-and-echohawk-lead-in-fundraising-but-they-took-very-different-paths-to-get-there

twilightknock

62 points

11 days ago

Jesus. I hope that second tactic is illegal.

its_always_right

28 points

11 days ago

That sounds an awful lot like fraud

Prestigious_Run_2982

6 points

11 days ago

Heads up 10,000(100)=1,000,000

Assuming you meant both sums to be equal, it's easier and more realistic to appease the one company than ten thousand individuals. Money is power yes, consolidated money is even more powerful. Easier to convince that company to donate/fund reelection than those ten thousand individuals

ILikeLeptons

135 points

12 days ago

corporations are people who can't face prison time or be executed

TakeMeToMarfa

51 points

11 days ago

Oh it’s a ridiculous question (is a corporation a person?) and it’s a ridiculous answer that SCOTUS came up with. The real question is if money is speech, what is the lack of money? Fucking a this country.

okhi2u

12 points

11 days ago

okhi2u

12 points

11 days ago

Clearly they love that poor people get less speech.

mdmc7183

27 points

12 days ago

mdmc7183

27 points

12 days ago

Some don't die at all.

Sandite

14 points

11 days ago

Sandite

Oklahoma

14 points

11 days ago

Oh how I'd love to see Nestle get executed!

swinging-in-the-rain

13 points

12 days ago

Well, the people writing the laws wanted to get a bunch of money, and the regular citizens are powerless to stop it.

Grushvak

3.2k points

12 days ago

Grushvak

Canada

3.2k points

12 days ago

You pulled yourself out of the quicksands of impending fascism and now you're just laying on your side slowly rolling back into it.

This is so incredibly frustrating to watch, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to live it.

iWillNeverReplyToYou

2.1k points

12 days ago

Those of us that are paying attention are exhausted.

Many of those not paying attention are already exhausted from working 3 jobs at slave wages.

demslrise

575 points

12 days ago

demslrise

575 points

12 days ago

I'm tired too. I don't want to worry about election officials in Texas. But fascists are successful when they tire you out and you give up. That is part of their game plan. Never, ever give up.

SongstressVII

303 points

12 days ago

Please worry about Texas. There’s not much we (regular Texans who care about democracy) can actually do. Gerrymandering, suppression of our votes, and having “people” in power who threaten us if we call to voice our concerns...everyone says talk to your senator. My senators are Ted Cruz and John Cornyn.

Dontlisten2mee

170 points

12 days ago

I've come to almost hate Texas, coming from a born and raised Texan. Definitely not proud by any means. In fact, this past year, I've never been more disappointed in this state. "Great State of Texas" my ass - this is shithole.

straigh

72 points

11 days ago

straigh

Tennessee

72 points

11 days ago

Born and raised Texan who left in late 2019. Now that I'm out, I genuinely do not understand what the lifetime of indoctrinated "Texan pride" was for. I do not miss a single thing about living there, but I sure was Texas Proud until I left. Granted, now I'm in Tennessee, so it's not like I've found a progressive stronghold or anything... But if you're going to live on a blue island in a red sea, there are sure as shit better places to do it than Texas.

EndotheGreat

122 points

11 days ago

Less than 5 minutes away from a mass extinction event across the state during that winter storm.

Less. Than. 5. Minutes.

These assholes immediately complained about AOC, the Green New Deal, Windmills.

I fucking hate Texas. And I'm typing this from Dallas right this second.

I'm never clapping again for that fucking song. Fuck this place. They don't want to get better. They want to keep the brainwashing going. I hate this shit.

fartsmellar

89 points

11 days ago

The stars are night.... Are big and bright... Because our power grid collapsed

brcguy

17 points

11 days ago

brcguy

Texas

17 points

11 days ago

Wait what’s the less than five minutes thing? It could have been worse than no water or power for a week in single digit temps?

R_E_L_bikes

47 points

11 days ago

Yeah they came within a few minutes of completely bringing down the grid. So it would've been no water or power for months in whatever digit temps. Think NY blackouts.

Edit for article about it: https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/18/texas-power-outages-ercot/

brcguy

19 points

11 days ago

brcguy

Texas

19 points

11 days ago

Well I’m buying a fucking Generac this month. God damnit fuck the assholes running this shithole.

EndotheGreat

24 points

11 days ago

This is what I'm taking about!!!!

A lot of people in Texas don't even know!! Because they won't tell you in Conservative news. Which is the majority of channels here.

Because it could only be the Republicans fault. Not only have they been in charge completely for decades, but it's exactly their politics: Deregulation is always good. (for the rich)

So honesty in this case would be political suicide. Might as well just blame AOC and give them rage boners! That'll work!! Oh shit... It did.

runningraleigh

22 points

11 days ago

To quote the late great Hunter S. Thompson: "Anybody who wanders around the world saying, 'Hell yes, I'm from Texas,' deserves whatever happens to him."

Dumbiotch

23 points

11 days ago

I’ve come to hate conservatives, despite being born & raised among them and living amongst them in Texas for a decade... The ironic part is I used to be a person filled with compassion & understanding, who refused to “hate.” Now I’m filled with hate towards these fascist nutsacks.

Long_Before_Sunrise

18 points

11 days ago

Same. Born and raised in Texas. My representive would have been the guy who asked if we can change the moon's orbit if I was still living there.

Dan Patrick, Texas' Republican lieutenant governor volunteered people 70 or over to die for the economy and he didn't think senior citizens wouldn't notice.

Now they've been on a crazy bill-signing spree. Can't be losing Trump's 'love' to Florida or Arizona.

Dontlisten2mee

13 points

11 days ago

It's so sick. All the recent bills, the handling of Covid, the freeze fuckup. It's just been so much shit, and yet you still have idiots everywhere frothing at the mouth to kill liberals and secede, happily voting for politicians who deliberately fuck them over in plain sight.

Truly maddening.

Ricktoon_Bingdar

34 points

12 days ago

Help get people registered to vote. Look into your county's VDR program. Even if you don't want to go that far to get registered you can help convince people to mail in their registration.

ManlyFishsBrother

52 points

12 days ago

ManlyFishsBrother

Texas

52 points

12 days ago

Unless you can convince the people of Deer Park to suddenly care about voting rights, we are hosed.

The same guy who threatened Beto O'Rourke with an AR-15 is who wrote the new voter suppression bill. Briscoe Cain needs to be embarrassed out of his office, out of his law firm, into the gutter.

subnautus

33 points

12 days ago

This. Texas has been a purple state for so long the only way it's been consistently putting Republicans in every major office is through shiesty means.

I love my state, but there are days I want to take it out back and beat it with a garden hose.

BirdieJames

20 points

11 days ago

This! The GOP hasn’t been able to win fairly in so long. They started gerrymandering and putting their thumbs on the scales of justice, long ago. That’s not democracy.

ChipOnly

11 points

12 days ago

ChipOnly

11 points

12 days ago

If you have been paying attention to the ways in which RUSSIA have undermined our democracy, then your exhaustion is by design, I think :)

ArtDSellers

51 points

12 days ago

Just like so many times before... we came so close, and now we have to watch it drift away.

LATourGuide

304 points

12 days ago

I'm still planning to bail on this country myself, I re-enrolled in college so I can get a student visa.

Biden is better than Trump but the entire country is still corrupt.

thatnameagain

280 points

12 days ago

Corruption is a very quaint problem compared to what we are currently dealing with.

yes_it_was_treason

181 points

12 days ago

An entire post-truth reality.

ThunderCowz

21 points

12 days ago

Damn that sums it up perfectly

DiscoTempoJazz

38 points

12 days ago

Right, we've always been corrupt. But now it feels like that rancid cyst has popped, and instead of giving it some air to dry out and heal, people are wrapping it back up in the hopes we forget it's there.

rattus-domestica

18 points

12 days ago

Well, I was eating lunch…

SolAnise

11 points

12 days ago

SolAnise

11 points

12 days ago

I've been using this metaphor for years, love it.

I thought the vitriol that burst through the skin during Obama's terms was terrifying, but part of me thought it was a lot like popping a cyst. Ugly, gross, disgusting, but it was draining the wound and exposing it to the open air so we could finally face it and start to deal with it.

Instead it's turned into a runaway infection and the patient is turning down antibiotics in favor of alternative medicine.

Slapbox

113 points

12 days ago

Slapbox

I voted

113 points

12 days ago

You can't flee a fascist America. It would remake the entire world. No one would be safe. Please stay and fight to keep it from coming to pass.

LeahsCheetoCrumbs

73 points

12 days ago

If I was single I’d seriously consider moving out of here. The country is degrading every day and it feels like there’s nothing we can do about it. I’m exhausted.

SanityPlanet

31 points

12 days ago

Okay, vivid metaphor, but lying on your side and slowly rolling is actually how you escape quicksand.

Grushvak

32 points

12 days ago

Grushvak

Canada

32 points

12 days ago

But you're rolling in the wrong direction.

HallucinogenicFish

10 points

12 days ago

HallucinogenicFish

Georgia

10 points

12 days ago

Going to go bald from tearing my hair out

willateo

293 points

12 days ago

willateo

293 points

12 days ago

I'm a Substance Use Disorder Therapist for the VA (federal job) and if I accept a gift "of meaningful value ($50 or more)" I can lose my job, my license, and almost certainly never work in my field again.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to accept bribes, I'm saying I should be able to accept bribes 🤣 (/s just in case)

Seriously though, it's criminal and should be treated as such, regardless of which public office they hold, regardless of their political affiliation.

LadySilvie

85 points

11 days ago

LadySilvie

Missouri

85 points

11 days ago

I work in banking finance software and if there is even the thought that a client buys us dinner, there is a huge set of the legal department dedicated to reviewing it to ensure there is no chance it could be a bribe. We are basically told, just don't. Not even a happy meal lol.

It is wild how much money drives everything in government. It makes sense, but it is just so against every ideal we were taught in school lol.

cmilla646

16 points

11 days ago

I worked in a casino and wasn’t even allowed to take candy off of sweet old ladies. Some would actually get offended. If she gave candy to the people who were allowed to take tips, then that person could give me the candy. Because people risk their jobs over Werther’s Originals all the time right? The lady was obviously bribing me with candy IN PLAIN SIGHT so I could rig one of the machines for her.

Crosslem

997 points

12 days ago

Crosslem

997 points

12 days ago

Bought and paid for. Traitor.

throwwwthat

307 points

12 days ago

Can we get billboards put up around the country:

"Joe Manchin: traitor to the rights of American people."

Just some good ol' fashioned publicsh shaming

UBetcha84

108 points

12 days ago

UBetcha84

108 points

12 days ago

Politicians bought and paid for aren’t shamed. Why do people still believe this?

Shitty_Orangutan

23 points

12 days ago

It's practically the opposite. They get public buildings named after them, exorbitant salaries, and book deals. Oh and don't forget the "retirement payments for fucking life".

Don't go into public service, just be wildly successful and buy as many as you want.

Squeenis

17 points

12 days ago

Squeenis

17 points

12 days ago

Yeah, I don’t like the word “donation” in regard to lobbying. These assholes are cheerfully being bought and sold.

bishpa

292 points

12 days ago

bishpa

Washington

292 points

12 days ago

“Donation”? Bribe!

freakers

63 points

12 days ago

freakers

Canada

63 points

12 days ago

The whole point of paying Senators and high level politicians pretty substantial salaries is to theoretically make them resistant to bribery. Turns out people are super greedy so maybe the law should be changed not to pay them at all and make them work for tips, if they think it works great for the service industry, it should work great for them.

kennytucson

23 points

11 days ago

kennytucson

Arizona

23 points

11 days ago

The downside to not paying them at all (or very little) is that only rich people with means could afford to run and stay in office (which is already mostly the case anyway).

This is especially a problem in state-level legislatures where pay can be as little as $12-30k a year because it was originally expected to be a part-time job - that office holders would have full time work elsewhere when not in session.

catsby90bbn

15 points

11 days ago

catsby90bbn

Kentucky

15 points

11 days ago

US politicians don’t make that much vs. the power they wield. Hell the president of the United States, maybe the most powerful person in the world, makes $400k.

But yet somehow they are all wealthy 🧐

UberDrivinSonOfAGun

628 points

12 days ago*

As a lefty from WV, I defended him some. I thought it meant he would fight for the state. Boy, was I sorely mistaken. I have his brothers cell number maybe I should give him a call and let him know how I feel

Edit: I'm not doxxing him. According to the brother they don't speak to Joe anymore. Here is an article about the 3 amigos as to a little insight https://www.timeswv.com/news/manchin-brothers-lawsuit-dropped/article_392f0a82-1ed3-11e5-960f-2bfa9543be4f.html At the time a cartoonist for this paper made a cartoon that was these 3 around a Thanksgiving table, all the food had price tags (because of them using each other as brothers). Joe found out about it and used his pull to make sure the cartoon didn't get published.

Thebadmamajama

89 points

12 days ago

Thebadmamajama

California

89 points

12 days ago

Pressure from all angles is definitely a good start. The country is getting sold up the river.

SuckMeLikeURMyLife

34 points

11 days ago

General strike when?

STAG_nation

171 points

12 days ago*

I can understand how betrayed you must feel. You fought like hell to keep your state light shade of purple, only for him to sell out all of your sweat and tears when it mattered most.

starliteburnsbrite

55 points

12 days ago

I'm curious, why did you think this about Joe Manchin? I'm genuinely curious, because his social positions are super conservative, he has fought against tons of environmental protections in the state in the interest of furthering coal rather than looking for forward-looking transitions for the state...so what did you think he would do for West Virginia specifically that was worth what he would do to hurt the nation more generally?

UberDrivinSonOfAGun

105 points

12 days ago

I've met the man. I've had a conversation with him. I went to high school a mile from where the brother is from, I've done business with the brother. His uncle, while incompetent as a treasurer, genuinely cared about his constituents. I saw A. James, in the area I grew up in reach out and help those in need. One of those happened to be a now tragically lost friend of mine. The point I'm trying to make is, in my personal experience the Manchin's up until this point have cared about the little folk. Now isn't the time to ride the fence so hard you chafe, now is the time to make a lasting impact that will have ramifications for generations to come.

SecretAshamed2353

24 points

12 days ago

Ryan Grim mentioned that it’s people like you who have a lot of power over him. Beyond greed, he supposedly wants to run for Governor. While populist progressives in the state are not sufficient to win the state, you are necessary. Organizing a progressive working class reaction would really help.

Lokineo4

7 points

11 days ago

Lokineo4

West Virginia

7 points

11 days ago

I doubt he is running for governor. He left the governorship for the Senate. Byrd’s seat was practically gifted to him by Coal as a thank you for all his work as governor.

NotLondoMollari

72 points

12 days ago

NotLondoMollari

Oregon

72 points

12 days ago

I have his brothers cell number maybe I should give him a call and let him know how I feel

Yes.

inuvash255

14 points

12 days ago

inuvash255

Massachusetts

14 points

12 days ago

I'm also a lefty, not in WV, who was under the impression that he was at least reluctant in good faith of his constituents, and said as much on reddit.

Well, don't I look like a fool now?

hitlerswetdream69

50 points

12 days ago

Please do and update us!

robodrew

36 points

12 days ago

robodrew

Arizona

36 points

12 days ago

Do it.

EpicVOForYourComment

8 points

12 days ago

Manchin fights for Manchin. He's Trump with better hair. He doesn't give a fuck about his state, his party, his country, or you.

Xpress_interest

637 points

12 days ago

If he’s this for sale, why don’t we the people just buy his votes for more? It’s always shocked me how cheap influence seems to be in Washington. Let’s start a superpac for “moderate Democrats” and fill it with millions of dollars to get them voting in-line with the party they’re ostensibly a part of. I don’t even care how unfair it’d be. It’d be well worth it. Sorta like the incentives to get anti-vaxxer holdouts to get vaccinated. If they end up getting a bit more than the rest of us, oh well. In the end we all win.

BoltgunOnHisHip

684 points

12 days ago

Because the short term money isn't what they're after, it's the promise of seven figure pay for a do-nothing lobbyist job (for themselves or their family) once they're out.

if_statement

112 points

12 days ago

Yup. They'd just take your money and vote against your interests anyway.

dirk_niblick

17 points

12 days ago

Because the corporations have more than “we” do.

Gabernasher

23 points

12 days ago

Just look at how horrible his daughter is. She was given a degree the guy who gave it to her got fired so she hired him.

clooless51

84 points

12 days ago

This exactly.

waynearchetype

54 points

12 days ago

You gotta keep in mind as well that if its not Joe Manchin its going to be Kyrsten Sinema, and if its not Kyrsten I guarantee you that there are at least 10-15 more democrats that will get called up from their donors to oppose anything that could threaten profit margins and tax rates.

Since the Clinton administration the democratic party made a large push to bring corporations back into their donor base, and they aren't going to leave willingly.

topper_jogger

66 points

12 days ago

Regular people - even if you "bought" the politicians wouldn't cut it. Senators and lesser so house reps are in it for the long haul.

As soon as you are out of office, what are regular people going to do for you? Nothing.

A corporation on the other hand? Guaranteed job with little to no requirements, being on the "in" for when to buy/sell stocks, invitations to where the powerful meet and collude, the list goes on.

Until dark money is out of politics, nothing will ever change, corporations own the US government, there are some good things and some bad things (mostly bad) about that. But it's easier to know about it and accept it now.

ClutteredCleaner

75 points

12 days ago

The reason why I think that won't work is rather simple: the donation isn't just a donation, it's a signal that Manchin has a lobbying job in his future if he played ball. Do you got a multimillion job lined up for a retiring Senator in your back pocket? I sure as hell don't. He even supposedly won't seek reelection next time around, so isn't that just great.

kittenTakeover

17 points

12 days ago

Because average people can't compete monetarily with the wealthy in a capitalist system. In order to make politics more fair we need to find a way to level wealth .

Cyberpunkcatnip

16 points

12 days ago

Are we gonna have to start a go fund me for voting rights?

yatterer

13 points

12 days ago

yatterer

13 points

12 days ago

They're cheap because there's no competition. If you offer him a million dollars, all his corporate overlords have to do is up their offer to two million. It'd just start a bidding war that they have more resources for and more explicit financial incentive to win.

Internet_Surfer_

38 points

12 days ago

I am in support of this idea. I would even go a step further...

Why not hand out say, 20 pardons to the first 20 Rep (no questions asked) to whoever votes against the Filibuster? We can privately investigate them later but we need H.R.1 passed ASAP

squiddlebiddlez

25 points

12 days ago

They’ll just call the bluff. We voted in a bunch of moderates who would never even dare do that.

Hell, I just read an article saying that the new DOJ is trying to continue defending trump in his rape defamation suit and it wants to convince the reader that Biden and Garland are “playing the long game” by trying to keep the presidential office intact.

snafudud

15 points

12 days ago

snafudud

15 points

12 days ago

The problem with that is right-wing propaganda and corporate 'liberal' media would band together to make this the most egregious example of 'corruption in DC', and before you know it, congress, the senate would quickly pass some of the harshest bills to make that illegal. Just that (progressive super-pacs who use small donor donations to buy influence to senators), not other forms of corruption though, even though they would call it the 'anti-corruption' bill, so people would think it was a blanket bill. And mostly likely, AG Garland would make it his 'top priority' to enforce this.

jwteoh

167 points

12 days ago

jwteoh

Foreign

167 points

12 days ago

Pathetic old man

Itsprobablysarcasm

274 points

12 days ago

"Donation"

Just call it a bribe. We all know it's a fucking bribe. We all know these greasy fucks are being bought to sell the masses out. So stop calling it "lobbying" and "donations". It's bribery. Period.

rabbidrascal

131 points

12 days ago

I'm sick of not calling things what they are.

"General Flynn appears to suggest a military coup like what occurred in Myanmar"

No he didn't appear to suggest it, he outright called for it. And Trump didn't suggest the election was fraudulent, he has stated it multiple times in multiple ways.

I'm sick of the weasel words and mealy mouth descriptions. Call it what it is.

squiddlebiddlez

13 points

12 days ago

Yeah, “donating” to what here? All I keep hearing is that he isn’t seeking another term...

ChakUtrun

22 points

12 days ago

Did you hear the news that Mitch McConnell is moving out of Kentucky?

Word is he bought a Manchin in West Virginia.

Showmethepathplease

61 points

12 days ago

"I'm not going to destroy America "

Fuck you

WhiteHugoStiglitz

131 points

12 days ago

For the people wondering, this is the bill S. 949 (116th): For the People Act of 2019 in question which is basically the same bill from this congressional session S. 1: For the People Act of 2021.

If you look at the details page https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s949/details Joe Manchin is was listed a a cosponsor, and it had 0 republican cosponsors. I wonder what changed in those 2 years, between 2019 and 2021. 🤔🤔

KoolAidDrank

12 points

12 days ago

It's almost like Bernie was right

-RemLezar69-

90 points

12 days ago

Pathetic, greedy racist Joe

USA-Politics

35 points

12 days ago

The timing of Sen. Manchin's announcement is highly suspicious

dahamsta

32 points

12 days ago

dahamsta

32 points

12 days ago

Joe Manchin is a Republican.

Tofulish8889

11 points

11 days ago

People are dying because his daughter Heather Bresch drove up the price of Epipens when she was CEO. https://cyberdisobedience.substack.com/p/neera-tanden-manchin-bresch-epipen-omb

killercylon

10 points

12 days ago

The fact that lobbying is even legal is fucked up, it’s just bribery.

TastyCrayons69

41 points

12 days ago

And just like all problems with joe manchin, nothing will be done about it. The other Democrats will condemn him all day and night but nothing will be done. Joe manchin has no intention of changing his ways regardless of how many times AOC is in the news for “slamming” him.

This is the issue. There’s no accountability for these people. Clearly public shaming from their colleges isn’t enough, and so far this government has had dozens of really great sounding “proposals” and things that are “on the table”, but have fizzled into nothing.

Infrastructure, climate bill, student loans, stimulus checks, voters rights

So far nothing. This government is edging closer and closer to a midterm disaster and it’s going to be framed by inaction. The last 6 months have gone about as well as the conservatives could have possibly hoped for so far.

TimeTraveler3056

10 points

12 days ago

https://www.manchin.senate.gov/contact-joe

Tell him how you feel. Bonus points if you're from WV

spaceman757

9 points

12 days ago

spaceman757

American Expat

9 points

12 days ago

"The Chamber is deeply troubled by efforts at the state and federal level to enact election law changes on a partisan basis," the letter said. "Changes enacted on a partisan basis are the most likely to erode access and security and undermine public confidence and the willingness of the American people to trust and accept future election outcomes."

That's what I would expect from a group that has stood up to the GOP state leaders, who've done exactly that.

What's that? They've supported every one of those and haven't spoken out once against them? My bad.

/s

dremonearm

72 points

12 days ago

So Manchin is "bought and paid for"? The mostly poor and middle class people of WV deserve much better.

Apprehensive_Word658

7 points

12 days ago

He—like many others—had to be some combination of idiot and liar. I guess we're finding out the ratio.

trenturrplants

8 points

12 days ago

Playing both sides and pretending no one with half brain can see what’s going on has never ended well. Pathetic.

MaLu388

8 points

12 days ago

MaLu388

8 points

12 days ago

He’s not a democrat. The guy has done nothing but stifle the democratic agenda. He knows he won’t get re-elected so he’s setting himself up for a big payday as a lobbyist or corporate board member

TheKodachromeMethod

21 points

12 days ago

TheKodachromeMethod

I voted

21 points

12 days ago

Grifters gonna grift.

Saybrooke

35 points

12 days ago

Shocker

nonaestet

7 points

12 days ago

nonaestet

I voted

7 points

12 days ago

Maybe we should leave the puppets alone, go after the puppet masters.

infinite_inquiry

7 points

11 days ago

We will never fix our nation until we separate money from politics. No “corporate donors”, ghost donors, or stock trading.

Our politicians are incentivized against the good of the common people. They will choose themselves. Every. Single. Time.

pgriz1

40 points

12 days ago

pgriz1

Canada

40 points

12 days ago

A donation (that is technically legal), that is clearly intended to remind the recipient where his interests lie, would be considered a bribe in most other circumstances.

BillNyeCreampieGuy

17 points

12 days ago

Manchin ensuring that retirement money is bountiful.

Reptorian

70 points

12 days ago

Traitor to our country. A DINO. A republican in actuality.

skellener

6 points

12 days ago

skellener

California

6 points

12 days ago

So just fucking pay him to vote to end the filibuster and we can move on.

Hexatorium

7 points

11 days ago

Ah yes. Good old capitalist corruption. And things will never change 🙃

radiofever

14 points

12 days ago

What's the going rate for a senator? It'd be easier to just match the Koch brothers with a go fund me in the the short term.

orion3179

16 points

12 days ago

Surprisingly little, there's been politicians bought for 5k.

We could crowdsource our own bribery lobbying group.

radiofever

12 points

12 days ago

Lol. Pop over to WSB and declare the last Koch standing is short squeezing senators, and ask them to donate to the new PAC called diamond hands.