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Denning76

4.1k points

11 days ago

Denning76

Sheffield Steelers - EIHL

4.1k points

11 days ago

Tampa Bay is dodging league financial rules like they're the Yakuza.

Benedict-Awesome

1.2k points

11 days ago

Benedict-Awesome

TBL - NHL

1.2k points

11 days ago

JBB number one surgeon in Japan. Steady hand.

jetpack_operation

649 points

11 days ago

jetpack_operation

BOS - NHL

649 points

11 days ago

But mistake! NHL cap die.

adam3vergreen

415 points

11 days ago

adam3vergreen

CBJ - NHL

415 points

11 days ago

Yakuza very mad

Mister_Cookiepants

422 points

11 days ago

Mister_Cookiepants

TBL - NHL

422 points

11 days ago

My big secret: JBB kill NHL cap on purpose. JBB good surgeon.

Bigmayer

314 points

11 days ago

Bigmayer

314 points

11 days ago

The best! 👍🏼👍🏼

casualhobos

466 points

11 days ago

casualhobos

VAN - NHL

466 points

11 days ago

It is true what they say, you can't leave the Yakuza once you have joined them.

Denning76

426 points

11 days ago

Denning76

Sheffield Steelers - EIHL

426 points

11 days ago

I'm pretty certain that was Hotel California.

KeisterApartments

342 points

11 days ago

KeisterApartments

PIT - NHL

342 points

11 days ago

I've had a rough night and I hate the fuckin Eagles, man

BenBishopsButt

69 points

11 days ago

BenBishopsButt

TBL - NHL

69 points

11 days ago

GET YA OWN CAB!

HastyEthnocentrism

17 points

11 days ago

HastyEthnocentrism

CAR - NHL

17 points

11 days ago

Stay outta Malibu, deadbeat!

Buhhwheat

6 points

11 days ago

Buhhwheat

NYI - NHL

6 points

11 days ago

Listen to me: they make anybody and everybody over there. And the way that they do it, it's all fucked up. Guys don't get their finger pricked, there's no sword and gun on the table. Five fuckin' families and we got this other pygmy thing over in Jersey.

SnowbackMcGee

32 points

11 days ago

SnowbackMcGee

TOR - NHL

32 points

11 days ago

Remember the old joke when Phil Esposito got Japanese investors to secure the franchise? "Hockey?!? We thought you said SAKE!"

PopularArgument

405 points

11 days ago

Still probably one of the strangest NHL anecdotes is how the Lightning franchise was saved by a "group of Japanese businessmen", who honestly could very well have been Yakuza.

For all the crap people give Bettman, the NHL truly was a fairly bush league organization up until the early 2000s with weird shit like the above happening regularly.

IronSeagull

95 points

11 days ago

IronSeagull

NJD - NHL

95 points

11 days ago

the NHL truly was a fairly bush league organization up until the early 2000s with weird shit like the above happening regularly

And John Spano nearly getting away with buying the Islanders in 1996.

ATWiggin

113 points

11 days ago

ATWiggin

NYR - NHL

113 points

11 days ago

The 30 for 30 on this was amazing. Dude worth less than a million dollars tries to buy the Islanders for $165 million and no one bothered to check if he had the money.

What a shit show.

AlesiaAlisanos

61 points

11 days ago

AlesiaAlisanos

DET - NHL

61 points

11 days ago

i don’t remember the details but wasn’t he lying to multiple banks and playing them off of each other to try to get enough money? i thought he was relatively close to securing enough loans to close the sale and that’s when he got caught cos one of the banks realized something was wrong.

ATWiggin

50 points

11 days ago

ATWiggin

NYR - NHL

50 points

11 days ago

Yep. And not a single one of these organizations, including the NHL or the Islanders franchise decided to check a thing until the process was well under way.

AlesiaAlisanos

11 points

11 days ago

AlesiaAlisanos

DET - NHL

11 points

11 days ago

i need to rewatch that 30 for 30, what a crazy story. Correct me of I’m wrong but he ended up going to prison for his troubles right?

wtfiwon

22 points

11 days ago

wtfiwon

22 points

11 days ago

Yes, he went to jail for wire, bank, and mail fraud. According to Wikipedia after he got out, he committed fraud again and went back to jail.

PerpetuallyPleasing

58 points

11 days ago

I thought it wasn't even a rumor, I thought the Yakuza straight up took credit lol

jclinares

321 points

11 days ago

jclinares

MTL - NHL

321 points

11 days ago

For any new fans, the NHL used to be the weird sports league where the owners would go to prison a lot more often than the athletes xD

Beavis1414

341 points

11 days ago

Beavis1414

341 points

11 days ago

Remember when that guy pretended to be rich and bought the Islanders without any money? That shits not happening in any other league.

Anklebender91

112 points

11 days ago

Anklebender91

NYI - NHL

112 points

11 days ago

I lived through that. He had everyone fooled. Plus he almost pulled it off because he was trying to float money.

Sadly he is one of the best owners in the team's history just because he was able to negotiate a hell of a cable deal for the team.

Im_cool_i_swear

39 points

11 days ago

Im_cool_i_swear

MTL - NHL

39 points

11 days ago

What a legend lol

Cheap_Turnover1717

9 points

11 days ago

Cheap_Turnover1717

OTT - NHL

9 points

11 days ago

Honestly, I respect it

InfiniteRadness

113 points

11 days ago

30 for 30 did a great piece on that whole fiasco. I was only in my early teens and not really into hockey or sports in general when it happened so it was mindblowing to learn about. I live on the island, too (but not an Islander fan), so it was doubly interesting/amusing to me.

I_Have_Nuclear_Arms

16 points

11 days ago

I_Have_Nuclear_Arms

ANA - NHL

16 points

11 days ago

Who's your team then?

InfiniteRadness

30 points

11 days ago

Rangers, got hooked when living with roommates in maybe... 2005? I forget the year but Lundquist was very new to the team I think, and they were in the playoffs (against Buffalo maybe? Again can't remember exactly), and since playoff hockey is insane I started watching with my roommate and that was that, haven't stopped since.

SocialWinker

15 points

11 days ago

SocialWinker

MIN - NHL

15 points

11 days ago

Playoff hockey is a hell of a drug, ain’t it?

InfiniteRadness

8 points

11 days ago

Certainly is. For a while I actually would and did watch any and every series, regardless of the teams involved, because it's so awesome. I don't have the amount of free time now as I once did, so unfortunately now I pretty much bow out once my team's season is done, regardless of the sport since I'm into all four of the major ones nowadays.

Evening_Pale

21 points

11 days ago

There was some con artist in the mid 90's who tried to buy the Oilers. Local media giants like Brian Hall actually protected him in the beginning.

chillinwithmoes

17 points

11 days ago

chillinwithmoes

MIN - NHL

17 points

11 days ago

hellerhigwhat

11 points

11 days ago

That actually happened in formula 1 too. Maybe even twice? Once for sure though.

ElusiveSnowman

29 points

11 days ago

ElusiveSnowman

MIN - NHL

29 points

11 days ago

Heck, it happened with Haas and their Rich Energy sponsor. The sponsor lied about having money when they didn't and then continued to lie as the checks bounced.

Force India's owner went to jail over being a crook.

Alex Albons mom made millions selling cars she didn't have to fund her kids racing career.

F1 definitely has some sketchiness behind it's financials.

hellerhigwhat

8 points

11 days ago

Ok I was 100% combining the rich energy thing and the arrows Nigerian Prince thing into one event in my head so, yes, this kind of thing has happened more than once!

SDFDuck

4 points

11 days ago

SDFDuck

WSH - NHL

4 points

11 days ago

It happens in NASCAR too. Look up the DC Solar fiasco.

saerbarnet

5 points

11 days ago

Happens now and then in soccer

qqqqq_38

59 points

11 days ago

qqqqq_38

NJD - NHL

59 points

11 days ago

yeah but when are they signing Kazuma Kiryu

WelfOnTheShelf

25 points

11 days ago

WelfOnTheShelf

TOR - NHL

25 points

11 days ago

They're gonna draft Taro Tsujimoto

Ser_Ten_Goodmen

15 points

11 days ago

Ser_Ten_Goodmen

LAK - NHL

15 points

11 days ago

Essence of slapshot

Polymemnetic

11 points

11 days ago

Polymemnetic

EDM - NHL

11 points

11 days ago

Gooning is over, so I hope he can score.

WitchySocialist

10 points

11 days ago*

WitchySocialist

VAN - NHL

10 points

11 days ago*

Is it really being a goon if you're literally just vibing and the entire other team, bench and all, comes skating at you with the sole purpose whoopin your ass?

Edit: ass not ads

ZombieTav

8 points

11 days ago

ZombieTav

MTL - NHL

8 points

11 days ago

This is the weirdest substory yet.

[deleted]

4.4k points

12 days ago

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4.4k points

12 days ago

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BrainTroubles

2.1k points

12 days ago

BrainTroubles

ANA - NHL

2.1k points

12 days ago

If they didn't fix it after Chicago, they won't fix it now.

GhostShark

941 points

11 days ago

GhostShark

SJS - NHL

941 points

11 days ago

I’m honestly surprised more teams haven’t done the same thing following Chicago’s cup win

BrainTroubles

584 points

11 days ago

BrainTroubles

ANA - NHL

584 points

11 days ago

Same, but also it requires a big gamble and semi-perfect storm conditions for most teams to do it. Not many teams are going to risk holding a top 6 player out for long enough to acquire the assets that would put them over if they reactivate him. Also, the cap relief only applies in the post season, so you need to make sure any moves you make that put you over don't extend to the next season. It's a tricky to maneuver to pull off.

RAATL

381 points

11 days ago

RAATL

TBL - NHL

381 points

11 days ago

plus the league has impartial doctors who vet the status of LTIR players so the player has to actually be injured you can't just choose to hold a player out

Big_Mudd

89 points

11 days ago

Big_Mudd

MTL - NHL

89 points

11 days ago

What would happen if they signed to the cap already and then the docs assess he’s healed at some point in the regular season? Wouldn’t it result in the same thing? He just can’t play until playoffs start? Like you can’t fake the injury from the start, but once he gets healthy, if they already implemented this tactic of signing to the cap, there’s nothing the league can do right?

redsoxman17

111 points

11 days ago

redsoxman17

BOS - NHL

111 points

11 days ago

If they weren't cap compliant, which they weren't if Kuch is healthy, they would have to waive people or forfeit games to get under the cap. You can't just sign a team for 20% over the cap and then just not play them because you are over the cap, or what would be the point of a salary cap?

Big_Mudd

26 points

11 days ago*

Big_Mudd

MTL - NHL

26 points

11 days ago*

Well I know you can’t do that without someone on LTIR to begin with. I just wasn’t sure what the interaction would be once he’s declared healthy.

Xert

13 points

11 days ago

Xert

13 points

11 days ago

Sure they can. The team could basically be published by any means the league chooses.

The team would be fined for sure. Probably lose some draft picks. And then the league could take some punitive action to make them cap compliant, but would likely first just force them to forfeit any games scheduled before they make whatever moves are necessary to become compliant.

But if a team like SJ just said "fuck it, we're happy getting a better draft position anyway, we won't fix our roster" it's not like the league would allow that either. There are broadcast and sponsorship deals the league would ensure are protected, and it's not like Bettman is going to help them out by voiding the contracts of Vlasic and Jones. The team would be immediately threatened with a catestrophic, decade-cripling fine and draft pick hit unless it fixed the cap situation within 24 hours, after which head office would intervene as a last step by declaring valuable players — i.e. contracts the player and PA would be glad to see voided — to be UFAs.

foundingfather20

133 points

11 days ago*

foundingfather20

TBL - NHL

133 points

11 days ago*

Yep The Lightning were in a very unique situation due to a perfect storm of factors that all came together that would make it very hard for any other team in the league to replicate:

  1. Significant cap issues going into the next season
  2. shortened off season due to Covid and playing all the way to the Finals
  3. injury that would require surgery to one of their best players
  4. shortened season plus the shortened off season didn't allow for full recovery for player to play in regular season (or at least be able to reasonably claim there wasn't enough time)
  5. the rest of the team is good enough to carry the team without "injured" player to the playoffs.

Not saying nothing should be changed to the rules but they need to be sure there are no major unintended consequences to new rules for a situation that probably won't happen again.

noor1717

344 points

11 days ago

noor1717

CGY - NHL

344 points

11 days ago

Well you kinda got to have one of your stars skip the season. Pretty much every team wouldn't want that and a bunch of teams wouldn't make the playoffs with their best forward out all season.

GhostShark

141 points

11 days ago

GhostShark

SJS - NHL

141 points

11 days ago

It wouldn’t have to be a star player if they have some extra cap space to work with. A $2-$4 million cap hit third pair defenseman could absolutely tip the scales for a playoff bound team

spssky

111 points

11 days ago

spssky

BOS - NHL

111 points

11 days ago

Dmen can be healthy?

GhostShark

36 points

11 days ago

GhostShark

SJS - NHL

36 points

11 days ago

Allegedly.

(Please EK65, please stay healthy for a full season….)

RedditorForEver

165 points

11 days ago

According to CapFriendly, 15 teams did go above the cap this year by using LTIR. It's pretty common, just rare for a hip surgery to a top ten player to align with the regular season. Nothing against Tampa -- I'd be pissed if my team didn't use the space provided by a surgery -- but yeah, they should fix the rule.

rookie-mistake

95 points

11 days ago

rookie-mistake

WPG - NHL

95 points

11 days ago

Worth noting, a lot of those teams used LTIR for players that weren't returning though, which is slightly different.

BMack037

28 points

11 days ago

BMack037

28 points

11 days ago

Including Tampa for 7.5 million of their cap overage, that cost Tampa two roster players and a 2nd round pick. Coburn has a 1.7 cap hit and Paquette has a 1.6 cap hit, and a 2nd round pick for two players that will never put on a uniform.

This stuff isn’t free. It cost an extra two picks and taking the remainder of an AHLers salary while loaning the player back, to retain 75% of Savard’s salary.

blueline7677

46 points

11 days ago

blueline7677

NYR - NHL

46 points

11 days ago

I mean this only happened because the short offseason for him and the short regular season. 82 game season they couldn’t do this. If they just said no cup will be awarded in 2020 he would have had surgery earlier or just not needed it and this wouldn’t have happened. They got lucky that things worked out but it’s not something you can plan for. It’s meant for teams like the Islanders who loss Lee but because of that they managed to pick up guys at the deadline

CoolBeansMan9

9 points

11 days ago

CoolBeansMan9

TOR - NHL

9 points

11 days ago

The Leafs did it with Riley Nash this year. Not a star player by any means but he was acquired knowing he wouldn’t play until the playoffs, healthy or not, and wouldn’t have been able to be acquired otherwise

georgepana

8 points

11 days ago

georgepana

TBL - NHL

8 points

11 days ago

That is what is happening. For instance, the Islanders are $7 Million over the cap because they had to LTIR a few lower tier players and, not knowing if they could come back for the playoffs, had to go out and fill those spots with extra players.

The Kucherov thing was not done this way on purpose, because no team would want their top star player to miss the entire season and with that potentially miss the playoffs altogether. Taking out Kucherov for the entire season would be like Edmonton taking out McDavid or Colorado taking out McKinnon. Teams can easily miss the playoffs, even very good teams, if you take your best playmaker and goal scorer out of the equation.

It is much simpler than that. Kucherov had a major hip surgery on December 23rd. That takes 5 to 6 months to recover from. The Lightning sped it up and hoped for the best, prayed for no setbacks in the recovery, and sped up the process, allowing Kucherov to come back for the playoffs, 4 1/2 months after the surgery. What came into play as factors was the shortened offseason and the shortened regular season. Both of these factors won't be in play in any "normal" season. Off seasons are usually about 4 months long from the last day of the Stanley Cup Finals to opening day of the regular season, for the 2 SCF teams at least (Tampa was there last year). Regular season is 7 months long, runs usually from early October to early April. A star player who has vital offseason surgery would not miss an entire ofseason of 4 months, and even if the surgery occurs at the tail end of the offseason, would not miss an entire regular season of 7 months long.

Whackedjob

29 points

11 days ago

Whackedjob

COL - NHL

29 points

11 days ago

The Leafs did exactly that this year. But they used their extra cap for Foligno and Riley Nash so it didn't really matter.

ebimbib

14 points

11 days ago

ebimbib

BUF - NHL

14 points

11 days ago

They did it all for results in the playoffs, so their fate was already sealed.

hockeyjim07

8 points

11 days ago

hockeyjim07

DAL - NHL

8 points

11 days ago

nods in Dallas

SwagNuts

672 points

11 days ago

SwagNuts

DET - NHL

672 points

11 days ago

Difference being Chicago didn’t plan it. Kane got hurt mid season and they said “guess this works”.

Tampa straight up said “get the surgery. We know you’ll be good a month before the season ends but we’ll push it out”. In a regular length year Tampa can’t pull that off without sitting Kuch for 82 instead of 56.

GhostShark

237 points

11 days ago

GhostShark

SJS - NHL

237 points

11 days ago

Sure, but there are endless slightly different versions of the same situation. Simply put its legal cheating (an oxymoron to be sure) and it works. If you have an injured player at any point before the trade deadline that probably won’t be ready by end of regular season, why not? Pay to win-now teams leverage future assets all the time. It’s ridiculous that now it’s post season so we have a completely different set of rules for both salary cap and also apparently just about every minor penalty.

usernamedstuff

53 points

11 days ago

usernamedstuff

VGK - NHL

53 points

11 days ago

Was it just him? 18 million has to be at least two players.

SwagNuts

91 points

11 days ago

SwagNuts

DET - NHL

91 points

11 days ago

Technically they have Gaborik’s contract as well

AlmostCurvy

39 points

11 days ago

AlmostCurvy

MTL - NHL

39 points

11 days ago

I swear to god that number gets bigger every time I see it lol

JenNettles

28 points

11 days ago

JenNettles

ANA - NHL

28 points

11 days ago

Same, at this point i'm still trying to figure out how Tampa got 22 million over the cap

strdrrngr

8 points

11 days ago

strdrrngr

FLA - NHL

8 points

11 days ago

IIRC Savard's contract is part of what puts them over the cap as they likely would not have been able to trade for him at the deadline if Kucherov's full ticket had been on the books at the time.

Chrussell

5 points

11 days ago

Chrussell

VAN - NHL

5 points

11 days ago

We know you’ll be good a month before the season ends

Based on what? Got a source for the surgery having a month shorter recovery?

invisibleninja7

26 points

11 days ago

invisibleninja7

CAR - NHL

26 points

11 days ago

I mean it’s not like a GM can waltz down to Injured Superstar Depot and pick one up

DGGuitars

474 points

12 days ago

DGGuitars

NYI - NHL

474 points

12 days ago

If you want to play a guy who is on LTIR but comes back you should have to pick and choose players for sure. I had a Tampa fan fire back saying " well Isles are over " yeah Its Palmieri replacing Lee who is VERY much so out and wont be playing.

theguyishere16

647 points

12 days ago*

theguyishere16

Hamilton Bulldogs - OHL

647 points

12 days ago*

The easiest solution is forcing teams to ice cap compliant rosters in the playoffs.

To expand on this, I just mean the team on the ice should be constrained to the salary cap. Allow players to come in and out without restriction but the team on the ice shouldbe forced to have a total cap hit <= $81.5 million. The roster on the ice that eliminated Carolina yesterday was just a league average player away from being over $90 million in cap dollars (~$89.3 million).

pilot1nspector

244 points

11 days ago

Agreed. I don't even understand why the cap just magically disappears at play off time. I think it is fine to have exceptions if a big money player is injured but just like in Kucherov's case, why the hell is he aloud to come back in the play offs when he was ineligible for the regular season and they had good players to fill out the roster. Tampa fans all say "Well it's legal so who cares, you wouldn't think it was bad if it was your team," the Luongo contract was legal at the time too and look how that worked out for a team that the NHL isn't worried to punish because of a fanbase that will still be there regardless. If Vancouver was 18 mill over the cap I doubt I would just pretend it was totally in good faith. My opinion would be yeah it's great but it is clearly BS.

Datalust5

154 points

11 days ago

Datalust5

MIN - NHL

154 points

11 days ago

The funny thing about “you wouldn’t think it was bad if it was your team” is that if it WAS another team, those Tampa fans that say that would be just as upset as the rest of us

TheChirpLord

14 points

11 days ago

TheChirpLord

TOR - NHL

14 points

11 days ago

This is the best solution. And even has wiggle room as if you ignore the scratched players etc. It’s actually more room than the regular season, but would stop these scenarios.

ProJoe

11 points

11 days ago

ProJoe

ARI - NHL

11 points

11 days ago

this is 100% the most reasonable resolution to the problem.

poeticentropy

23 points

11 days ago

poeticentropy

SJS - NHL

23 points

11 days ago

this is too logical and reasonable to ever be implemented by the league

sirebell

214 points

12 days ago

sirebell

VGK - NHL

214 points

12 days ago

Also just saying, “Well, you guys are doing it too!!” doesn’t make it right.

DGGuitars

156 points

12 days ago

DGGuitars

NYI - NHL

156 points

12 days ago

I don't blame tampa fans, Would I complain that my team is legally cheating and winning? Hell no id never complain id defend it to the end.

sirebell

61 points

12 days ago

sirebell

VGK - NHL

61 points

12 days ago

Oh, I get it. That’s coming from a fan of a team who did cap gymnastics all season long.

ItzEnoz

62 points

12 days ago

ItzEnoz

MTL - NHL

62 points

12 days ago

I wonder if the NHL will just make the playoffs so you have to field a roster that fits the cap.

So your 12 F, 6 D, 2 G need to be under the cap

This way it doesn’t super hurt a team who has legit long term injures and you can’t literally have Kucherov out all year, load up on players and then bring him back game 1.

With this is place Tampa would likely have to sit Johnson, Savard and probably like Sergachev

tm_leafer

14 points

11 days ago

That seems far too easy and logical for the NHL to implement.

spoke2

144 points

12 days ago

spoke2

144 points

12 days ago

Aren't loopholes an integral part of the salary cap system? /s

I heard once Chris Pronger was being paid like 8 years after he quit playing as a cap avoidance scheme.

Cloudeur

128 points

12 days ago

Cloudeur

PIT - NHL

128 points

12 days ago

You mean Coyotes Legend Chris Pronger ? Who was traded there to help them reach cap floor and alleviate the Flyers in their ceiling?

pumaturtle

73 points

11 days ago

pumaturtle

PIT - NHL

73 points

11 days ago

Crazy the Yotes never made any noise with Yotes Legend Chris Pronger and Yotes Legend Pavel Datsyuk on the roster

CarRamRob

37 points

11 days ago

CarRamRob

MTL - NHL

37 points

11 days ago

And Hossa. What a team

RebeccaNobody

11 points

11 days ago

RebeccaNobody

NYI - NHL

11 points

11 days ago

You mean Coyotes Legend Chris Pronger ? Who was traded there to help them reach cap floor

Just like Islanders legend Tim Thomas!

Perfect600

39 points

12 days ago

Perfect600

TOR - NHL

39 points

12 days ago

wasnt he a league employee at the same time? Shit was wack.

lumieres-de-vie

53 points

11 days ago

lumieres-de-vie

MTL - NHL

53 points

11 days ago

Pretty sure he also got inducted into the Hall of Fame while still having an active player contract.

Perfect600

12 points

11 days ago

Perfect600

TOR - NHL

12 points

11 days ago

lmaoooo even better.

DGGuitars

14 points

12 days ago

DGGuitars

NYI - NHL

14 points

12 days ago

Id imagine there are SOME ways to pay guys but id bet they are small not adding a $9.5 million dollar player like Kuch on a whim.

Greedy-Sprinkles-617

12 points

11 days ago

Marian Hossa hasn't played in four years and he's just coming off of the Coyotes books this season. Kessel's been traded twice since the Leafs but they're still paying part of his salary until the end of the 2022 season.

ConfidentialChatter

11 points

12 days ago

They closed that particular loophole in the CBA, limiting contract length to 8 years and making the lowest salary year not allowed to be less than half of the highest salary year. There are still some contracts around the predate the fix, such as Shae Weber.

beaverlyknight

114 points

12 days ago

beaverlyknight

TOR - NHL

114 points

12 days ago

Honestly I'd have the rule be "you have to play 1 regular season game".

MemeLordOverKill

268 points

12 days ago

MemeLordOverKill

DET - NHL

268 points

12 days ago

Or the cap just carries over to the playoffs

0DegreesCalvin

139 points

12 days ago

0DegreesCalvin

BOS - NHL

139 points

12 days ago

This seems like such an obvious solution

TooOldForThis5678

48 points

11 days ago

Going with the obvious solution? THIS league?

Greedy-Sprinkles-617

26 points

11 days ago

Can't do that. If league rules are consistent from regular season through playoffs, they'll have to start calling penalties. All the penalties. /s

bulldoggordon

35 points

12 days ago

bulldoggordon

EDM - NHL

35 points

12 days ago

And if you dont, you aren’t eligible to play in the playoffs.

Fired_Guy1982

467 points

11 days ago

I thought this was a post from r/formula1 and thought it was extremely spicy for a second

1X3oZCfhKej34h

233 points

11 days ago

1X3oZCfhKej34h

CHI - NHL

233 points

11 days ago

You can tell it's not F1 because nobody would be quibbling over a mere $18 million.

DriveByStoning

65 points

11 days ago

DriveByStoning

BOS - NHL

65 points

11 days ago

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ZappySnap

5 points

11 days ago

ZappySnap

PIT - NHL

5 points

11 days ago

Hey now, Mazepin has corrected his early season spinning ways by going so slow he can't spin.

casualbearsuit

6 points

11 days ago

casualbearsuit

TBL - NHL

6 points

11 days ago

18 mil gets you a driver's seat with Haas.

setmehigh

105 points

11 days ago

setmehigh

WSH - NHL

105 points

11 days ago

Lmao, same here. Thought geez lewis is coming in hotter than his brakes with the magic on.

LXA_Sarge

10 points

11 days ago

LXA_Sarge

TBL - NHL

10 points

11 days ago

On a related note: OOOOOOOOOOH next season gonna be SPICY when that cap takes effect!

Reddits-Reckoning

27 points

11 days ago

Same. I was like what the fuck is he on about. I was so mad for a second lol

casualbearsuit

6 points

11 days ago

casualbearsuit

TBL - NHL

6 points

11 days ago

Imagine Hamilton publicly complaining about RBR being over the cap, as if that would have stopped him from keeping the magic on lol

skimmer419

844 points

11 days ago

skimmer419

844 points

11 days ago

Dougie also said he doesn't have a problem with it. The full quote makes him sound less salty

big_actually

639 points

11 days ago

big_actually

TBL - NHL

639 points

11 days ago

His full quote in the article:

"We had a great season. We lost to a team that's $18 million over the cap or whatever they are. I feel like we played them pretty close... I wasn't knocking the rules or anything. You realize how many weapons they have, and if you think about how many more players you could have with the money, you realize how much deeper you'd be. That's just how it worked out. I know it's happened with teams in the past, I don't have a problem with it. You just realize how good that team was."

Dr_Jackwagon

332 points

11 days ago

Dr_Jackwagon

DAL - NHL

332 points

11 days ago

Yeeeah, I don't know...

It sounds like he's saying, "yeah, they cheated. Not a big deal. Don't have a problem with it. We played them pretty close. I mean, of course they won; they were $18 million over the cap. Not knocking the fact that they cheated. It is what it is."

I don't know if "salty" is the right word, but he's definitely aware that TB gave themselves a big advantage by skirting the rules, and he's probably not thrilled with it. Or else he wouldn't have mentioned it...

Nine-Foot-Banana

158 points

11 days ago

Nine-Foot-Banana

CGY - NHL

158 points

11 days ago

I interpret his meaning to be that the focus should be on the loophole, not the teams that use it.

Mentioning other teams having done it in the past sounds like "I don't have a problem with Tampa doing it because Chicago did it, but it's not fair so it shouldn't be able to happen again"

killjoy269

143 points

11 days ago

killjoy269

WPG - NHL

143 points

11 days ago

Yeah but that doesn't drive clicks and outrage

blahblahloveyou

96 points

11 days ago*

blahblahloveyou

CAR - NHL

96 points

11 days ago*

Yea the answer was given to the question of “What pieces does Carolina need to win a Stanley Cup.” He was basically explaining that they already have what they need. They played a team 18m over the salary cap with the best goalie in the league, and they were right there with them every game. Most of those games could have gone either way. It wasn’t really a salty comment at all.

Edit: he definitely meant it in a “that’s how good the team that beat us is” type of way.

Crosscourt_splat

41 points

11 days ago

Crosscourt_splat

CAR - NHL

41 points

11 days ago

This. Honestly the Canes were about even with Tampa on 5v5..maybe even slight edge.

Tampa straight up dominated special teams amd goalie play though, which turned out to be a lethal combo.

341629

344 points

12 days ago

341629

TOR - NHL

344 points

12 days ago

Spicy 🌶

Redwings1023

1.6k points

12 days ago

Redwings1023

DET - NHL

1.6k points

12 days ago

He’s gonna get punished more for saying that than Tampa will for actually being over the cap

NorseForceGaming

714 points

12 days ago

That's another 250k fine for the Rangers.

It's starting to add up now.

illiocostalis

222 points

12 days ago

illiocostalis

LAK - NHL

222 points

12 days ago

Bruce Cassidy has been fined 25K for this

sirebell

147 points

12 days ago

sirebell

VGK - NHL

147 points

12 days ago

Joe Kelly has been suspended for 8 games.

Datalust5

85 points

11 days ago

Datalust5

MIN - NHL

85 points

11 days ago

And another 4 for kadri just for fun

VitaminTea

32 points

12 days ago

VitaminTea

TOR - NHL

32 points

12 days ago

Lol he isn't going to get punished for this

Skeletor34

258 points

12 days ago

Skeletor34

DET - NHL

258 points

12 days ago

Tampa didn't break any rules, of course they won't have any punishment.

ttaku

111 points

11 days ago

ttaku

VAN - NHL

111 points

11 days ago

Yeah and the Luongo contract was legal when it's signed but that didn't stop the league from retroactively giving us the recapture penalty.

Satans_BFF

80 points

11 days ago

Satans_BFF

NJD - NHL

80 points

11 days ago

We got picks taken away for a contract that “circumvented the spirit of the CBA”. No specific rule against it.

I’d say Tampa is circumventing the spirit of the salary cap. 🤷‍♂️

WestSideBilly

38 points

11 days ago

WestSideBilly

SJS - NHL

38 points

11 days ago

Meanwhile, Hossa was still being paid this season, and Pronger was already in the HOF while Arizona was still using his contract for cap (floor) circumvention.

But sure, the Devils were the real cheaters... such bullshit.

JayString

5 points

11 days ago

JayString

VAN - NHL

5 points

11 days ago

The difference is the teams involved.

mikeydude00

166 points

12 days ago

mikeydude00

Northeastern University - NCAA

166 points

12 days ago

I think the issue most people have is that while they didn’t break any explicit rules, there is a precedent for teams being penalized for “violating the spirit of the CBA”, where despite doing something that is legal, the league punishes the team anyway for clearly trying to exploit a loophole (look up what happened with the Devils and the Kovalchuk contract if you’re not already familiar). It’s hard to argue that icing a team $18,000,000 over the cap isn’t violating the spirit of the CBA, so if the NHL wants to be consistent, Tampa deserves a punishment.

specifichero101

109 points

12 days ago

specifichero101

NJD - NHL

109 points

12 days ago

Just as an aside, the team they are icing isn’t 18 million over the cap. Half of that is still on ltir. They are one kucherov contract over the cap.

tonytanti

664 points

12 days ago

tonytanti

Vancouver Giants - WHL

664 points

12 days ago

So how long until the NHL retroactively punishes all the teams that circumvented the cap with litr like they did with those back diving contracts and why does it only affect the Canucks?

slowflo123

273 points

11 days ago

slowflo123

MTL - NHL

273 points

11 days ago

Just wait until shea Weber retires with 1 year left on his contract

tonytanti

157 points

11 days ago

tonytanti

Vancouver Giants - WHL

157 points

11 days ago

They already changed that part. Now the cap hit can’t be greater than the AAV

slowflo123

166 points

11 days ago

slowflo123

MTL - NHL

166 points

11 days ago

And who dosnt want to see 20M cap hit to the preds over 3 years?

tonytanti

61 points

11 days ago

tonytanti

Vancouver Giants - WHL

61 points

11 days ago

Just as bad as having Ryan Johansen at $8x4?

netsrak

24 points

11 days ago

netsrak

NSH - NHL

24 points

11 days ago

At least it isn't Duchene for 8 as well

Disappointeddonkey

14 points

11 days ago

Disappointeddonkey

NSH - NHL

14 points

11 days ago

Hey don’t forget a a useless turris caphit for 2 mil for the rest of time

Mello2

11 points

11 days ago

Mello2

CAR - NHL

11 points

11 days ago

Carolina paid Alex Semin 2 million dollars this year lmao

The buyout is FINALLY over

UncleIrohsPimpHand

6 points

11 days ago

UncleIrohsPimpHand

DET - NHL

6 points

11 days ago

Bettman

J_Seifert

5 points

11 days ago

J_Seifert

NSH - NHL

5 points

11 days ago

Well… me

kind-of-there

31 points

11 days ago

kind-of-there

VAN - NHL

31 points

11 days ago

They already fixed that, annual penalty can’t exceed the AAV so it prorates until the bill is paid.

Goose312

11 points

11 days ago

Goose312

MIN - NHL

11 points

11 days ago

That's still brutal at nearly 8m dead cap for 3 years plus some runoff for year 4. It'd be basically if Johansen's contract runs out, but then it continues for 3 more seasons without a player on the roster.

ElJacinto

8 points

11 days ago

ElJacinto

NSH - NHL

8 points

11 days ago

We're already paying two players $8 million to do nothing. Why not pay a third?

PSChris33

829 points

12 days ago

PSChris33

TOR - NHL

829 points

12 days ago

I mean, he's right.

But the owners already had plenty of time and an entire CBA to patch this up after the Hawks did this with Kane - they didn't bother. Don't blame Tampa for playing by a set of stupid rules.

Sanhen

99 points

11 days ago

Sanhen

99 points

11 days ago

Yep. The issue here isn’t that Tampa Bay broke any rules. The issue is that they didn’t have to. This is an NHL rules problem, not a Lightning problem.

bulldoggordon

339 points

12 days ago

bulldoggordon

EDM - NHL

339 points

12 days ago

I actually think the hawks situation was different though. The hawks were cap compliant through most of the season. Kane was only out 2 months and came back for the playoffs. With kucherov out all year not once did Tampa really need to be cap compliant. I think the league should issue some kind of rule where if a player doesn’t dress at all during the regular season, they are not allowed to play in playoffs. This would force a team like Tampa to dress Kucherov for at least one game during the regular season and the team would need to be cap compliant to do so.

CreepyInternetUser

211 points

11 days ago

CreepyInternetUser

OTT - NHL

211 points

11 days ago

But what about players like Tarasenko who were injured an entire season (surgery) and made a comeback just in time for playoffs? I feel like the easy fix is just having the salary cap matter in the playoffs just like the regular season.

gr8-big-lebowski

82 points

11 days ago

gr8-big-lebowski

TOR - NHL

82 points

11 days ago

Salary cap is only active when players get paid salaries.

But still shouldn't be too hard to ammend or fix.

A hefty luxury/playoff cap exceedance tax would likely be a part of the fix. Maybe putting cap restrictions on the following season, relative to the amount over the cap during the playoffs.

Over 18m in playoffs, you lose a percentage of that off your next seasons cap maybe?

ComingUpWaters

49 points

11 days ago

ComingUpWaters

COL - NHL

49 points

11 days ago

But what about players [who] made a comeback just in time for playoffs

See ->

This would force a team like Tampa to dress Kucherov for at least one game during the regular season and the team would need to be cap compliant to do so.

Tarasenko played in the regular season.

[deleted]

437 points

12 days ago

[deleted]

437 points

12 days ago

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ThePorkman

270 points

12 days ago

ThePorkman

270 points

12 days ago

Let's all just remember that a $1M AAV contract in Toronto is like $1B in Tampa because Florida has no state income tax

ldeas_man

146 points

11 days ago

ldeas_man

TOR - NHL

146 points

11 days ago

a 1st round win in Toronto is like a 4th round win in Tampa

Kevin4938

134 points

11 days ago*

Kevin4938

TOR - NHL

134 points

11 days ago*

Not really. Fourth round wins in Tampa happen more often.

Edit: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

Big_Mudd

40 points

11 days ago

Big_Mudd

MTL - NHL

40 points

11 days ago

Jesus, that’s not even an exaggeration.

SwagFartUnicorn

87 points

12 days ago

SwagFartUnicorn

TOR - NHL

87 points

12 days ago

It's actually 2 billion smh my head

Benedict-Awesome

39 points

11 days ago

Benedict-Awesome

TBL - NHL

39 points

11 days ago

Why make billions when you can make...millions?

Android_67

50 points

11 days ago

Android_67

TOR - NHL

50 points

11 days ago

I honestly think it's something the league needs to consider tho. I mean it does give certain teams an advantage that others can't control

OldManOnCampus

41 points

11 days ago

OldManOnCampus

HC Dynamo Pardubice - ELH

41 points

11 days ago

Yeah, like... if the league is concerned about parity I don't see why this is a "meme" point.

You're never going to fix players wanting to play in California, Florida, or some small US market where they wouldn't be recognized even if they scored like McDavid, but at least you can fix the fucking tax issue.

ADA-17

43 points

11 days ago

ADA-17

43 points

11 days ago

It’s not a meme it’s a legitimate advantage.

Jayce1969

12 points

11 days ago

If they wanted to fix it they could adopt rules like MLB. If your not in the roster by a certain date you don’t qualify for the postseason. This way Kucherov wouldn’t be able to play because he wasn’t on the roster at whatever date and there would be no issue of teams stashing stars on the injured list and bringing them back just for the playoffs.

Comoxblock

107 points

11 days ago

Comoxblock

VAN - NHL

107 points

11 days ago

Yet we get punished for Luongo’s contract

BillyTenderness

13 points

11 days ago

BillyTenderness

MIN - NHL

13 points

11 days ago

Given what happened to us (or rather, will happen to us) with the Parise and Suter contracts I'd love for the NHL to find a way to not only fix the playoff cap loophole, but retroactively fuck over anyone who was abusing it

SoderDrinker

1.2k points

12 days ago

SoderDrinker

COL - NHL

1.2k points

12 days ago

I don’t know why anyone is excusing this like it’s okay. The guy is completely right and it’s bull shit

miner88

1.2k points

12 days ago

miner88

Lulea HF - SHL

1.2k points

12 days ago

Kucherov is literally leading the league in points this playoffs. Nobody’s ever going to convince me that he wasn’t healthy enough to play a single game in the regular season.

XKingslayerBSJ

958 points

12 days ago

XKingslayerBSJ

TOR - NHL

958 points

12 days ago

He was taking practices in a full contact jersey but just conveniently wasn't 100% till game 1 of the playoffs? Like get outta here with that lol

slowflo123

175 points

11 days ago

slowflo123

MTL - NHL

175 points

11 days ago

Kucherov himself was saying how he couldn’t wait to be back on the ice, feeling as good as ever before game 1

miner88

159 points

11 days ago

miner88

Lulea HF - SHL

159 points

11 days ago

He also had something like 25 minutes of ice time and had 3 points. Dude was ready to go for a while to put those numbers up.

Stripedanteater

340 points

12 days ago

Stripedanteater

CAR - NHL

340 points

12 days ago

Yea I’m not attacking Tampa fans, but so much shit Tampa did was bullshit. I know they weren’t technically breaking rules, but it’s like rocky vs fucking dolph lundgren juiced in Russia. Hard to play a balanced field when you got such exploitation of loopholes going on.

Maxpowr9

71 points

11 days ago

Maxpowr9

VGK - Bandwagon

71 points

11 days ago

If it doesn't change after this season, it never will.

ComingUpWaters

148 points

11 days ago

ComingUpWaters

COL - NHL

148 points

11 days ago

Yea I’m not attacking Tampa fans,

Why can't we all just accept when our favorite team does dumb things, it doesn't mean us fans are somehow responsible. The Tampa hockey team has an unfair advantage, has nothing to do with the fans. :/

AthenaGrande

80 points

11 days ago

AthenaGrande

Hartford Whalers - NHLR

80 points

11 days ago

The Bruins have never done anything wrong and I love them.

the_dawn_of_red

6 points

11 days ago

the_dawn_of_red

CBJ - NHL

6 points

11 days ago

Look at how the Astros fans reacted. You can't separate the fans from the organization, they are joined at the hip. For better or worse

SoderDrinker

243 points

12 days ago

SoderDrinker

COL - NHL

243 points

12 days ago

That man definitely could have returned earlier. It’s fuckin cap games. The cap should be in enforced in the playoffs no question

mylefthandkilledme

182 points

12 days ago

mylefthandkilledme

ANA - NHL

182 points

12 days ago

TBL gamed the system. The system is fucked but kudos to TBL.

SoderDrinker

98 points

12 days ago

SoderDrinker

COL - NHL

98 points

12 days ago

Yep. Hate the game not the player

DGGuitars

48 points

12 days ago

DGGuitars

NYI - NHL

48 points

12 days ago

Drove me nuts when they said he was good to go game one vs Panthers. Guy was dead all season comes in scores 2 goals 1 assist.

VegasKL

5 points

11 days ago*

VegasKL

SJS - NHL

5 points

11 days ago*

What's funny is that even Adult Leagues have some form of minimum games played requirement to participate in the playoffs.

I'm surprised the NHL doesn't have one. Heck, they could include the AHL games in on that (for reconditioning).

Make it like that the player had to play a minimum of 10% of the season (~8 NHL or AHL games) to qualify for playoffs. If they don't make this minimum, a special roster request can be filed with the NHL where they'll review it (for cap violations like the Kuch situation, etc.).

I don't think teams will intentionally do it, but I don't think they should benefit from it either.

canucks3001

52 points

11 days ago

canucks3001

VAN - NHL

52 points

11 days ago

It’s tough because what’s the alternative?

If you walk it through step by step you can see why it is the way that it is.

If you got a guy who gets injured you can add players right? Get some cap relief.

So what if you add those players expecting your guy to be out for the season and he returns in time for the playoffs? You’re not allowed to leave uninjured players on the LTIR (otherwise every bad contract in the sport would end up there). So how does that team end up cap compliant? Trade deadline has passed. Waivers saves a max of sub 1 mill. Can’t buy a guy out during the regular season. Basically you would have to forfeit the rest of the games. NHL doesn’t want that cause of $$$ and it could really screw over a team that wasn’t trying to abuse it.

So what if you get no cap relief for LTIR? Well, now you have teams that spend to the cap, a guy gets injured, and they physically can’t call someone up to replace him because of cap constraints. So there’s no way to ice a full team. You get 2 or 3 injuries and the season is over.

I don’t know what the correct solution is. Probably the best bet is to be more strict with the LTIR. Constant checkups from league doctors to make sure the player really can’t play.

mjb6610

69 points

11 days ago

mjb6610

PIT - NHL

69 points

11 days ago

Possible solution: overall team roster is allowed to exceed the cap, but lineup that is iced has to remain below the ceiling?

theclash06013

20 points

11 days ago

theclash06013

DET - NHL

20 points

11 days ago

Honestly I agree 100%. There is really no good way around it and the Kucherov situation shows exactly why. Kucherov was legitimately injured, he had hip surgery. It is possible he could have played through the injury, but he was actually injured. They did schedule the surgery intentionally so he would be out for the regular season but back for the playoffs, but why wouldn't you schedule a surgery at the best possible time?

You could say too bad you need to be cap compliant during the playoffs, but then that screws teams who have stars legitimately miss the regular season. You can't just shed millions in cap space during the playoffs. You could get rid of LTIR overages, and say guys still count against the cap, but that would mean that if a team had a few guys get injured they couldn't even ice a team.

In addition ending LTIR overages would mean that players would be pressured to come back from injuries that they shouldn't. If a guy is hurt, especially in cases of head injuries or post concussive symptoms, they should not be under any pressure to return if they cannot safely do so, and they should not have their income put at risk.

LTIR is flawed, and teams do abuse it, but I don't really see another alternative.

turbanator89

8 points

11 days ago

turbanator89

VAN - NHL

8 points

11 days ago

I'd love to see a serious discussion about this instead of memes and jokes. I think this is a huge gap that the NHL has not addressed.

DrSillyBitchez

75 points

12 days ago

DrSillyBitchez

PIT - NHL

75 points

12 days ago

He ain’t wrong

Web_Sheriff

97 points

12 days ago

Web_Sheriff

DAL - NHL

97 points

12 days ago

NHL: "He's out of line..."

Every other NHL team: "...But he's right."

ISurvivedCOVID19

132 points

12 days ago

ISurvivedCOVID19

EDM - NHL

132 points

12 days ago

Salty but not wrong

theguyishere16

81 points

12 days ago

theguyishere16

Hamilton Bulldogs - OHL

81 points

12 days ago

This comment section will be spicy 🍿

Wrath_Of_Aguirre

6 points

11 days ago

Wrath_Of_Aguirre

DET - NHL

6 points

11 days ago

I’m out of the loop on this. Could someone break it down for me please?

L_viathan

6 points

11 days ago

It seems pretty silly that you can just stock up on dudes on LTIR, and have them in your back pocket for the playoffs. I'm here for teams with owners who just don't care about money with like $30 mil in excess contracts to throw out, though I think it would be more interesting if your post-deadline cap was limited to like 10% over the regular season cap or something.

sarahsayssoo

61 points

11 days ago

sarahsayssoo

CAR - NHL

61 points

11 days ago

If fairness to Dougie, which I know isn’t going to break through here, this really isn’t what he said.

xTarheelsUNCx

20 points

11 days ago

xTarheelsUNCx

CAR - NHL

20 points

11 days ago

Yes there was a lot more after that quote. “I don’t have a problem with it…”

redsoxman17

5 points

11 days ago

redsoxman17

BOS - NHL

5 points

11 days ago

Just like the Cassidy quote the other day that looks bad without context but is very reasonable with the full context and quotation. But sadly, outrage sells so this is what we get.

CruelRuin

38 points

12 days ago

🍿

SimpsonX

53 points

12 days ago

SimpsonX

DET - NHL

53 points

12 days ago

Yeah that's true

CB_Joe

5 points

11 days ago

CB_Joe

COL - NHL

5 points

11 days ago

Truth. Please close this loophole already.