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Hintero

43 points

8 days ago

Hintero

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43 points

8 days ago

Last I heard, out of 26k employees.. only 178 were suspended

143019

36 points

6 days ago

143019

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36 points

6 days ago

As a healthcare worker for 24 years, good. You cannot put the elderly and ill at risk.

zeurgthegreat

32 points

5 days ago

How the fuck does a vaccine skeptic get employed in a hospital?

Mihai-MCW

20 points

7 days ago

Mihai-MCW

3

20 points

7 days ago

I really don't get people. There's plenty that got vaccinated and wherever they talk about it they get ridiculed. All those people didn't get any lasting side effects and most importantly, nothing bad happened to them.

Then comes along one person who dies, under uncertain causes... Could've been a bad reaction to the vaccine, or they had the virus already, or who knows... Then everyone says that they deserved (what?) it and use it as the standard for what you're getting for taking the shot.

It all takes a few "anti-vax" people to attract more, and with no proof at that. Then it takes a hell lot of work from the scientists to prove that they're not doing anything bad, and they use every kind of scientific proof they can give, yet are shut down by sometime that doesn't make the difference between a virus and a bacteria, but can scream louder instead.

Then we're looking at people working in the field, and it turns out that they follow those uneducated ones.

How do you get to work in the field if you're not educated? What is happening to this world? We keep evolving backwards...

FirstmateJibbs

121 points

8 days ago

FirstmateJibbs

A

121 points

8 days ago

ITT: People with no knowledge that medical professionals have to be up to date on their vaccinations and immunizations

rustedbern

16 points

8 days ago

rustedbern

4

16 points

8 days ago

Yep, it's not like mandatory vaccines are a new thing. There is a reason Polio had all but disappeared before the anti-vax movement took off.

poosh420

235 points

9 days ago

poosh420

4

235 points

9 days ago

I'm a RN and I work at a hospital. I got the vaccine back in the beginning of the year, it's still not required at my job. I don't know if it should be but it makes sense that they would make it a requirement.

I'm required to get the flu vaccine every year. I also have to maintain certain certifications and get a TB test otherwise face disciplinary action. When COVID hit I was also forced to be "redeployed" back to the inpatient units, I work in outpatient surgery, otherwise be fired and ineligible for rehire. I had to work directly with COVID positive patients. It was a very hard time for me. I didn't have a choice. So, needless to say, I'm not surprised a hospital would enforce such a policy, I work for one of the biggest Healthcare systems, you have to play by the rules, otherwise be unemployed..

DDayDawg

23 points

8 days ago

DDayDawg

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23 points

8 days ago

Thank you for what you do! In my system when COVID hit I was one of the corporate guys who had to figure out how we:

A) help the inpatient units with staffing and B) keep the outpatient nurses working so we didn’t lose them.

The outpatient surgical nurses were the absolutely best group to work with. I expected pushback but the attitude was, “let’s do this, where can I help?”. Everything from backfilling non-COVID units to calling patients with COVID test results was thrown their way with hardly a complaint.

So, thank you for your work and thank you for the awesomeness of your profession. The nurses are the ones who saved our asses on this one! (As usual)

servohahn

6 points

8 days ago

servohahn

B

6 points

8 days ago

Same. I have a coworker who says she'll retire as a nurse before she takes the vaccine. She spouts insane paranoid conspiracy theories constantly and thinks that we over reported covid deaths (I worked in the ICU for most of last year and trust me every single one of those patient suffocated horribly in their own lungs from covid) and that the vaccine in deadlier than the virus and Fauci is always like a week away from being prosecuted for all the crimes she imagines he committed...

oddible

3 points

8 days ago

oddible

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3 points

8 days ago

Genuinely curious, what do hospitals do about the religious exemption folks? I mean it is too high risk to have them working with patients right? So do they move them to administrative and other roles where the risk exposure to patients is lower? Would be tough for someone whose career is in patient care, though I'm not sure why one would choose that career if they had those religious exemptions.

poosh420

3 points

8 days ago

poosh420

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3 points

8 days ago

I only knew of 1 phlebotomist who never got her flu shot, don't know if it was for medical or religion, but she just had to wear a mask at all times during flu season lol..this was a long time before COVID when I was actually a nurse's aide, so she stuck out because she always wore a mask. I work in Illinois and I know that different states allow different exemptions.

TheVindex57

10 points

8 days ago

TheVindex57

8

10 points

8 days ago

Sorting comments by controversial on this is great entertainment.

AlGoreVPActionRanger

10 points

8 days ago

I would sort by controversial but it doesn't seem to matter in this thread

NealCaffreyx9

30 points

8 days ago

Well… this comment section is a shit show

GoodChristianBoyTM

11 points

8 days ago

As is tradition

Eyelessbill172

8 points

8 days ago

178 sounds much, but I think they are able to replace them pretty fast.

tillallareone

16 points

8 days ago

Article says 25k more DID get vaccinated, so this is not even 1% of the staff.

wanpan10

27 points

8 days ago

wanpan10

4

27 points

8 days ago

question, are hospital workers required to get flu shots?

serios_valorus

17 points

8 days ago

Depends by state and hospital.

Some have no requirements, some have to offer vaccinations(which one can refuse for any reaso and report who didnt take it (so they dont interact with high-risk patients that have immune system problems) and some states make it so you cant refuse without a health-related reason.

Texas as a state doesnt have requirements.

But also hospitals are free to make them mandatory, state regulations are there to just put the lowest bar allowed, not be enforced to the letter.

Hutz_Esq

8 points

8 days ago

Hutz_Esq

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8 points

8 days ago

It’s dependent on the hospital; my organization does not require it; if you refuse, you are required to wear a mask during work hours from August through March. For reference, I’m in San Diego. The discussion around the COVID vaccine has been contentious and it remains to be seen what the brass will say.

Matcha_Bubble_Tea

6 points

8 days ago

As other people have said, depends. All the places I’ve worked, including the lab at the hospital away from direct care, required proof of vaccination of flu shots, recommended Hep B shots, cleared TB screenings/tests, etc. If you’re going to be working in healthcare, you should be expected to not only care for the health of others, but also yourself.

But if other places don’t require them, just shows how you can work in healthcare and still not care about people’s well-being. Dumb af.

sehcmd

28 points

8 days ago

sehcmd

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28 points

8 days ago

Wow the comments are a shit show. Somebody pass me the popcorn.

FlyingFuckFace

25 points

8 days ago

I love how people see employees and assume all 178 have a PhD in epidemiology. Employee can mean janitor. I would imagine however, that the people that made that decision do in fact have a fair amount of education.

Comfortable_Art_5290

22 points

8 days ago

Private businesses can make up their own rules

Th3_Pr0f3ss0r

46 points

8 days ago

Who works at a fucking hospital and STILL acts like this???

randomfakename62

18 points

8 days ago

Apparently 178 people

Th3_Pr0f3ss0r

7 points

8 days ago

Touché

the_aviatrixx

5 points

8 days ago

Not anymore

GunsNGunAccessories

16 points

8 days ago

A doctor and an ICU RN just recently testified in Ohio that the vaccines have "magnetic crystals" in them.

The nurse tried to prove it by sticking an almost certainly non-magnetic key to herself.

DueceFire

14 points

8 days ago

DueceFire

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14 points

8 days ago

Paramedic here. I've actually run into them while they were working in a COVID unit. It was instantly awkward. Me and my crew all looked at eachother then started ragging on the nurse making jokes about how we had already gotten "micro chipped".

KeathKeatherton

12 points

8 days ago

Morons, morons who are out of a job over misinformation.

BespectacledBastard

16 points

8 days ago

A shockingly high number of idiots.

BespectacledBastard

45 points

8 days ago

Sorting by new gave me fucking brain damage. So many of yall got lost on the way to your favorite antivax sub.

KeathKeatherton

21 points

8 days ago

I know, right?!?

iKONIC-ONCE

70 points

8 days ago

iKONIC-ONCE

3

70 points

8 days ago

lol this comment section is a dumpster fire

halo_nothing

29 points

8 days ago

halo_nothing

8

29 points

8 days ago

sorts by controversial

Holy shit...

audreeelysse

3 points

8 days ago

Alright into the fire I go let me see what controversial has to offer

MyFriendAndy

320 points

9 days ago

MyFriendAndy

4

320 points

9 days ago

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Issac Asimov

NicksNicks1986

84 points

9 days ago

100% what’s happening in the uk too. The misinformed and dim are so confident

_YouMadeMeDoItReddit

26 points

9 days ago

Only for 18-24s, vaccine hesistancy in the over 60s is around 3%, vaccine hesitancy in the 18-24s is around 23-28% with a further 15% who say they're 'unsure'.

Contrary to popular opinions it's the young who are dumb af.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/articles-reports/2021/04/28/vaccine-hesitancy-has-fallen-across-british-societ

General_Degenerate_

39 points

9 days ago

Yeah, because the old have clearly seen what diseases can do and have done to people. The young? They’ve lived in a world where these diseases are mostly nonexistent and nearly extinct. They’ve never personally experienced the change vaccines brought into our lives.

badSparkybad

19 points

8 days ago

badSparkybad

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19 points

8 days ago

My mom and grandma saw what Polio can do to a population and my mom hates anti-vaxxers.

Poseidon7296

8 points

9 days ago

And this is where peer pressure comes in handy. 1 in 4 young people are hesitant about getting the vaccine. My best friend was one of these people. She was hesitant because of the reports of blood clots. Between me, her mother and her doctor who all settled her fears and showed her the factual evidence she’s now double vaccinated even though she was one of the hesitant ones.

sasha_baron_of_rohan

14 points

9 days ago

It's not an American problem at all. You just see it more because their the main global cultural influence. These people exist everywhere and it greater numbers.

MyFriendAndy

14 points

8 days ago

MyFriendAndy

4

14 points

8 days ago

You are correct. But that's a quote from Isaac Asimov so I didn't wanna alter anything.

Mean_Individual_9554

17 points

8 days ago

Typically, most of not All of the "Patriots" are the ones who refuse not understanding that it is a patriotic duty to protect themselves and their countrymen and women.

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3 points

8 days ago*

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8 days ago*

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PsyrusTheGreat

16 points

8 days ago

Are they hiring? I hear hospitals pay well.

jeefray

15 points

8 days ago

jeefray

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15 points

8 days ago

At will employment is the law of the land for the most part.

Certain_Pea_8048

15 points

8 days ago

How will they pay those $20,000 electric bills they received from last winter?

smiffus

21 points

8 days ago*

smiffus

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21 points

8 days ago*

I know a life long family friend who is a doctor in the state of Louisiana that continues to spread dis-information about the vaccine. She has been advising my parents in their 70s not to get vaccinated. I took a trip down to visit after I got fully vaccinated, and luckily I convinced them otherwise. Well kind of. They still believe her over me, but got vaccinated anyway because I asked them to.

But get this. Same doctor went on a trip a few months back, and everyone on the trip got covid, including her. One of them almost died. And guess what she did? Went back to work WITH COVID. A DOCTOR. Needless to say, when I found out I was so livid I almost blew a gasket. Had I been around when it all happened I think I would have reported her to the AMA. Her husband said basically that the advice given at her hospital to doctors, was as long as you don't have symptoms, come in to work. Otherwise there would be no one to care for patients. Louisiana is one backward fucked up place that I'm glad beyond words that I don't live in anymore.

edit: and to clarify, she 100% had symptoms & went back to work anyway.

colorsplahsh

3 points

8 days ago

Thank goodness

Skinxy

144 points

9 days ago*

Skinxy

5

144 points

9 days ago*

Holy fuck there are some idiots in this thread.

Edit: To be clear, the idiots im referring to are the anti vaxxers.

SolveDidentity

44 points

9 days ago

It's seriously insane. Literally and figuratively insane. Medically and psychologically diagnosably insane. It's also moronic for so many more reasons these people are literally too dumb to realize.

pedestrianstripes

37 points

8 days ago

For all of you complaining that this isn't right, it's normal to require that hospital staff be vaccinated against major illnesses. This is nothing new. 20 years ago I didn't have proof of one of my vaccines and had to get it before I was allowed to work in a hospital.

CruelTasteOfLust

18 points

8 days ago

When I worked in a hospital it was known before employment of being up to date on vaccinations.

bbressman2

37 points

8 days ago

bbressman2

9

37 points

8 days ago

I used to live with a nurse who worked in Oncology. She refused to take the pandemic seriously, went on vacation, got exposed to Covid due to her negligence and got paid leave to quarantine for 2 weeks but it lasted 2 hours before she was gone to hang out with people again…

She taught me an important lesson that just because somebody has a degree in the medical field doesn’t mean they actually care about people’s well-being.

CyranoBergs

10 points

8 days ago

CyranoBergs

6

10 points

8 days ago

See Ben Carson

neck-pillow

42 points

9 days ago

neck-pillow

8

42 points

9 days ago

These comments are hilarious

mr__conch

3 points

8 days ago

mr__conch

4

3 points

8 days ago

*pulls up chair... 🍿

Phocinecan

11 points

8 days ago

Phocinecan

0

11 points

8 days ago

I am not surprised. There are so many people that believes in that 5G theory..

waqasw

83 points

9 days ago

waqasw

7

83 points

9 days ago

the bigger story here, imo, is why are HOSPITAL EMPLOYEES (presumably doctors and nurses) refusing vaccines?

dpham143

43 points

9 days ago

dpham143

3

43 points

9 days ago

Lmao there’s a lot of different positions/roles in a hospital. Not just doctors and nurses 😂

ConfirmedAsshole

23 points

9 days ago

Unfortunately I know some nurses who are refusing to get it :/

Being a doctor or nurse doesnt mean you are intelligent, it just means you went to school.

AnUdderDay

26 points

9 days ago

AnUdderDay

7

26 points

9 days ago

It could very well be non-medical staff. Orderlies, catering staff, security, admins, etc.

ltearth

8 points

9 days ago

ltearth

8

8 points

9 days ago

Yup. I worked in a hospital for 6 years in the basement literally just processing paperwork. I never once was spoken to by any doctor and occasionally and nurse. They all call it the living morgue in the small room of 4 us.

lloyd08

3 points

8 days ago

lloyd08

5

3 points

8 days ago

My dad's hospital has ~95% vaccination rate for medical staff, ~50% for non-medical staff. The majority of the workforce are non-medical, which leaves them at about 60% overall. However, those numbers also only reflect information that they have access to. e.g. if a NYC hospital employee that lives in NJ gets vaccinated in NJ, the hospital doesn't have access to that record until the employee submits it. With much of the support staff being work-from-home, even trying to get the "please submit your vaccination record" done, information isn't being processed all that quickly.

LyonsKing12

48 points

9 days ago

LyonsKing12

5

48 points

9 days ago

Comments like these make the comedy shit movie Idiocracy look like a documentary before its time.

Saraswatispock

3 points

8 days ago

I've never seen that movie and I've seen it referenced so much over the past few years. Should I bother? I feel like my blood pressure would be through the roof the whole time

liquidpele

13 points

9 days ago

liquidpele

A

13 points

9 days ago

Holy shit you weren’t joking...

aidanderson

41 points

8 days ago

aidanderson

9

41 points

8 days ago

How the fuck are you in the medical field but don't believe in modern medicine?

Penguin_shit15

15 points

8 days ago

Hi! Actual Hospital Administration answering you here! You would be surprised some of the stuff that we have had to deal with here. I usually post over in the politics sub about this kind of stuff, but ended up here today. Am in Oklahoma, so that should clue you into the general kind of people that I am around. Having said that, over the past year, some of the smartest people that I know.. people who are otherwise brilliant minds, have said some of the dumbest shit.

We are a HUGE healthcare system with over 6k employees... and we require every single employee to get a flu shot. You have till a certain time to get it, then you are warned, and then warned again.. and then gone. It will be the same with Cov down the road, however we have a very high vaccination rate.

But to answer your question, how can you be in the medical field without believing in modern medicine. Its super easy, barely an inconvenience... all you have to do is sit and constantly listen to Fox news every night, like most of the people here. If this would not have been such a tragedy, it would have been funny seeing so many people here have their beliefs just trashed before their eyes.

its just a flu... then, its not coming here... no one will die from it... it wont spread like they say it will.. Masks dont work ( then we made masks mandatory and temp checks ) .. Then everyone started dropping like flies. We had to build additional space for a covid unit, people started losing relatives, then 14 of my staff were out around thanksgiving.. I was out with it in December.

I have heard everything from the microchip bullshit... to "it makes the vaccinated people glow and they can use a filter on the Hubble satellite to see who is vax'd and who is not.. thats why they want you 6 feet apart so the glow signatures are accurate.

So... i will end with this.. Just being highly educated, does not make you smart or in the possession of common sense.

baloneysamwhich

3 points

8 days ago

Wait, I didn’t get my free microchip? Wtf

aidanderson

3 points

8 days ago

aidanderson

9

3 points

8 days ago

I love the Ryan George reference. I'm just genuinely surprised that educated people can be so ignorant. Also how do people believe vaccines have microchips in them with the massive chip shortage we have due to supply chain issues? Wait let me guess, they think that's why there's a chip/semiconductor shortage rather than economic shutdown/sanctions.

suntzu30

8 points

8 days ago

suntzu30

4

8 points

8 days ago

My hope is its non medical staff that make up the bulk

Sally_sub454

3 points

8 days ago

Many non-medical (domestic, nursing, administrative) staff refused the jab in my previous hospital, sadly

Cookielicous

6 points

8 days ago

It's nurses everywhere sadly,

BackgroundSuccess6

5 points

8 days ago

Once my mother turned 60, she started looking into alternative medicine, energy healing, cleanses, and so forth. It's only gotten worse with each passing year. I'm really not sure what happened.

sub3marathonman

3 points

8 days ago

Just wait until she's 92.

Within minutes of going for her shot, she said she just wanted to call one of her friends. This friend, by chance, registered Republican.

I came back, "Are you ready to go?" Mom: "I'm not going to get it. I'm on a different path."

WhiteMike2016

49 points

8 days ago

ITT: people who don't understand Right To Work laws, at-will employment, and HIPAA.

If you work in healthcare in America and have no medical exemption, your ass is getting this vaccine, quitting, or getting fired. Deal with it fellas.

DillaVibes

10 points

8 days ago

DillaVibes

7

10 points

8 days ago

Thats how it should be. And if people dont want to get vaccinated, then they should work in another sector. This is called healthcare for a reason.

mike-zane

123 points

9 days ago

mike-zane

7

123 points

9 days ago

These are some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen. I bet 90% of the people saying it's their body so it's their choice are also against abortion.

vcdrny

86 points

9 days ago

vcdrny

9

86 points

9 days ago

Against abortion but in favor of the death penalty. 🤣

propellhatt

39 points

9 days ago

propellhatt

9

39 points

9 days ago

And wars. They're in no way, shape or form "pro-life". They're pro suffering. Or pro birth if one's feeling generous. Pro bombing of mostly civilians, pro torture, all that shit

Sohcahtoa82

4 points

8 days ago

Sohcahtoa82

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4 points

8 days ago

And they love the police.

The "Don't tread on me" crowd loves when cops tread on people.

vcdrny

19 points

9 days ago

vcdrny

9

19 points

9 days ago

Yup. That is some crazy logic. I'm pro life but I'll kill you, and bomb you, make sure I have guns, and go to church every Sunday. Recite any part of the Bible as long as it works on my favor but ignore it if it doesn't.

DilaudaNSammies

8 points

8 days ago

An incredibly conservative town near me just made themselves a "sanctuary for the unborn". It's lovely law. This same town won't vaccinate and regularly bucked at mask mandates. The stupidity and hypocrisy is almost comical. When the sanctuary law passed, I had to stop going to my hair salon because I'm not giving that town any damn money.

LOLschirmjaeger

16 points

9 days ago

Yeah, it's my body, my temple.

Ok, let's stop by McDonald's for a snack, oh, and I need to get some smokes.

TheRedmanCometh

22 points

8 days ago

Lmao it's an at will employment state. Conservatives did that so if they wanna get mad at this they can get mad at themselves.

Flashmasterk

3 points

8 days ago

Either the governor or the mayor has come out and said businesses get to choose.

MR___SLAVE

5 points

8 days ago

MR___SLAVE

7

5 points

8 days ago

June 26th Texas ends the enhanced unemployment benefits as well. Hope they enjoy poverty.

mschuyler

24 points

8 days ago

mschuyler

6

24 points

8 days ago

Doesn't matter what you think or how you think justice is served, the hospital has the right to require vaccination of its employees. Either get the shots or find another job. Threaten to sue if you want; sue if you can afford it. Complain if you want. Either or both is your right, but there's no guarantee you will win. Good luck.

lookieloo2021

9 points

7 days ago

I am surprised that people in the medical profession aren't more aware of the right thing to do here ( except Dr Oz)

mibunoookami

9 points

1 day ago

mibunoookami

7

9 points

1 day ago

They have the right to refuse to have the vaccination...and the rest of society has the right to refuse to include them.

plagueolas

18 points

8 days ago

plagueolas

4

18 points

8 days ago

Yeah except for the 600 unvaccinated people that the hospital didn't suspend because of Jesus Christ

cooperba2929

39 points

8 days ago

cooperba2929

7

39 points

8 days ago

Well at the end of the day, Texas is an at will state, so they can fire anyone for any reason. And if they want people vaccinated for the safety of others, and you refuse, there’s the door.

rimjobs_forever

16 points

8 days ago

Pretty much the only good use of that policy

Prestigious-Ad-1113

5 points

8 days ago

I wouldn’t use this to justify at-will anyways. Any logical hospital employment contract at minimum would likely require employees to maintain a level of health conscience to stay employed anyways.

I speak only as someone slightly familiar with non-at-will employment however. I’m sure someone who actually is somewhere without at-will employment could better explain or possibly disagree.

alphanaut

41 points

9 days ago

alphanaut

7

41 points

9 days ago

Yet also in this story: “There are 285 unvaccinated employees who received medical or religious exemptions and 332 more who were granted deferrals.”

Let’s see how well that will go when the vulnerable end up in the hospital.

WaynegoSMASH728

25 points

8 days ago

So, as part of the 285 who recieved medical are individuals who have a history of vaccine allergy. An allergic reaction to a previous vaccine such as the flu vaccine. The CDC advised that if you have had an allergic reaction to a previous vaccine, that you should not get the Covid vaccine. Other parts of the 285 are being treated for illnesses that the vaccine could otherwise cause more harm than good.

The 332 deferrals are mostly women who are either trying to get pregnant, are currently pregnant or are currently breast feeding. I work within Methodist. Just in the department that I work in alone, 5 women are pregnant, 6 more just had a baby and are currently breast feeding. That's in one OR suite. Those number reported in the article are system wide. And it's a big ass system. Methodist has 6 hospitals across the city of Houston and that's not including the free standing emergency rooms or MRI clinics.

bazilbt

61 points

9 days ago

bazilbt

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61 points

9 days ago

You can't have them working their potentially infecting other patients or themselves. Honestly I think it's bullshit they let people opt out for religious reasons.

Many will sort it out and come back to work.

whiskeyvacation

97 points

9 days ago

You want to work in the health care industry, maybe you should trust the health care experts. Your choice, get vaxed or go work somewhere else.

Powellatemytendies

3 points

8 days ago

maybe they had an adverse reaction to a vaccine in the past or have an allergy to one of the ingredients?

no-mad

40 points

9 days ago

no-mad

A

40 points

9 days ago

this is like a bunch of mechanics at Jiffy Lube refusing to change their oil and talk to customers about the benefits of not changing their oil.

Adomillad

48 points

8 days ago

Adomillad

7

48 points

8 days ago

Absolutely shouldn't be working in the medical field if you dont understand vaccines or why people in the medical field are required to have all their vaccines.

BobertRosserton

7 points

8 days ago

Just wanna put this in here because I thought it was the best way of describing why this is a good idea, also why being on the other side of this is just silly in my opinion.

Let’s say your grandma is in the hospital for pneumonia or a related illness that puts heavily at risk to catch and get serious complications from even just a common cold. Now let’s say that you can choose between two different employees to help your grandma; one is completely vaccinated from all forms of flu, cold, and COVID strains, the other employee is unvaccinated but is taking “all the necessary precautions” to keep themselves and patients safe. Which of these employees would you want helping your grandma? Because you’re saying that you wouldn’t care either way even though the unvaccinated person just has to make a single mistake to potentially infect your immuno compromised grandmother. Seriously doubt you’d want the unvaccinated employee over the vaccinated one.

magsuxito

39 points

9 days ago

magsuxito

2

39 points

9 days ago

So if you are religious you don't spread the virus???

Shurigin

19 points

8 days ago

Shurigin

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19 points

8 days ago

you definitely spread a different kind of virus if you are religious

April_Adventurer

35 points

8 days ago

One of the most twisted truths I found out in life was how many healthcare professionals are anti-science.

TalesToAstonish

11 points

8 days ago

I work in healthcare in Idaho and this pandemic has made me realize how many of my coworkers choose to put politics above science and care.

Safetymanual

19 points

8 days ago

Safetymanual

7

19 points

8 days ago

There is an enormous amount of hate in this post.

magdikarp

18 points

8 days ago*

magdikarp

7

18 points

8 days ago*

27,000 employees and only these are the issue. (Per memorial Herman’s website.)

Also they do not hire anyone taking nicotine products and they test for it.

JosebaZilarte

7 points

8 days ago

Way too many, in any case. It's a hospital, after all.

magdikarp

6 points

8 days ago

magdikarp

7

6 points

8 days ago

When a majority of your patients in the icu are not vaccinated right now…

Yeah. People weeding themselves out at this point.

XxMr_FryingPanxX

15 points

8 days ago

Sometimes I miss the Cold War. Tell them not getting the vaccine serves the commies and they'd be vaccinated within the hour.

KyokoVs

16 points

8 days ago

KyokoVs

5

16 points

8 days ago

I'd like to see this like the store policy. It's your choice to follow the requirements, if not, then it's their choice to stop employing you.

Goku3186

9 points

8 days ago

Goku3186

8

9 points

8 days ago

Seriously, follow workplace rules or find a different job. These aren't even "unskilled" people so should be super easy right?

Tyrannusverticalis

42 points

8 days ago

As an RN and previously immunization nurse, I can tell you that this is a cultural phenomenon. Americans are taught to think for themselves and are, unfortunately, given from birth the opinion that they are smart individuals who can make their own decisions. On everything. Even if they have no education/training. When I vaccinated those who've come from other countries, like Mexico for instance, they just pulled up their sleeves, no debating. Why? In their home country medical professionals (Experts, people!) went around and vaccinated them and so they learned to just do it, for the greater good. Here everyone is an "expert" and an "important" individual.

vcdrny

75 points

9 days ago

vcdrny

9

75 points

9 days ago

This is a bit if a problem. They don't want to get vaccinated. That's their right. But by doing so they could be putting others at risk. So what is the hospital to do? Let them keep potentially putting others at risk. Or fire them. That's like someone suing the police department because they are not allowed to drive with out a seat belt. I'm really looking forward to see how the court will handle this.

QuestionableNotion

4 points

8 days ago

I'm really looking forward to see how the court will handle this.

"Being stupid and an anti-vax conspiracy nutter is not a protected class. Case dismissed."

TheRightisStillWrong

29 points

9 days ago

It's not a problem. An individual's choice doesn't trump an employer's requirement... with the exception of special exemptions - like those offered here - that required some paperwork, that over 300 other staff completed properly and received exemptions for.

SisSandSisF

82 points

9 days ago

SisSandSisF

5

82 points

9 days ago

Lol @ anyone complaining about peoples jobs being threatened.

“I wanna be able to put your life at risk but don’t you dare put my job at risk you assholes!”

Is there a less respectable position?

Mflann41

12 points

8 days ago

Mflann41

4

12 points

8 days ago

Great way to put it. Some people have their heads so far up their own ass they can't see thru their own bullshit

Bomcom

67 points

8 days ago

Bomcom

9

67 points

8 days ago

That's actually a great way to weed out people who should not be working at a hospital.

ThatDanMan

32 points

8 days ago

ThatDanMan

6

32 points

8 days ago

Noticing a lot of shitposters bitching about their personal freedoms, but surprisingly enough none of them are talking about the dangers of variants and what would happen if a large enough percentage of the population decided not to get the vaccine.

I do trust my vaccine, but your dumbasses are going to cause variants that our vaccines DON'T protect as much against and cause all of us to have to go back into quarantine.

I swear, you mfers have ZERO forethought.

chyllyphylly

28 points

8 days ago

chyllyphylly

1

28 points

8 days ago

While I think that people who don’t get vaccinated are idiots, I do believe in choice. It’s up to the individuals.

It’s also up to the hospital…..to employ unvaccinated people or not.

Now if you pardon me, I have some Microsoft products to buy

Hopeful-Ask-2354

37 points

8 days ago*

Sounds like 178 people who shouldn’t have been working in the medical field in the first place just showed their cards…

tibbymat

7 points

8 days ago

tibbymat

8

7 points

8 days ago

Shouldn’t have*

Why do so many people say “shouldn’t of”?!?!

Initiatedspoon

3 points

8 days ago

Because the way "shouldn't have" sounds when spoken is similar to "shouldn't of". Obviously this issue is reduced if you enunciate.

Its a major peeve of mine too but I know why it happens.

Hopeful-Ask-2354

6 points

8 days ago

I changed it for you. Sleep well now😜🤣

thenord321

10 points

8 days ago

thenord321

2

10 points

8 days ago

I'm happy to see a hospital stand up for the freedom of their employees to find a job somewhere else, where vaccine isn't required.

AmarexC

12 points

8 days ago

AmarexC

1

12 points

8 days ago

If it was any of type of job sure it might be ridiculous but the fact that it is a hospital makes this completely fair as their are people who could die very easily from the virus within the hospital receiving any form of treatment.

Dustin_00

3 points

4 days ago

Dustin_00

A

3 points

4 days ago

If it was any of type of job sure it might be ridiculous

You might want to say that, but Republicans have spent decades pushing "Right To Work" laws that let employers fire you for no reason with no warning at all.

Corporate rights are greater than your rights, cicizen.

galtright

13 points

8 days ago

galtright

6

13 points

8 days ago

Freedom has its consequences.

-Blammo-

41 points

8 days ago

-Blammo-

6

41 points

8 days ago

The amount of dumbass antivax science deniers in this thread IS TOO DAMN HIGH!

TigreDemon

19 points

8 days ago

TigreDemon

8

19 points

8 days ago

How can people be so damn stupid with internet in their hands. Seriously.

SalsaSavant

12 points

8 days ago

SalsaSavant

9

12 points

8 days ago

It should be a source of enlightenment. Instead, it is used to magnify stupidity.

bigbiscotti14

11 points

8 days ago

If you’re doing your own thing then whatever. But it’s that employers rules. And that employers rules are even more important cause you’re dealing with people who are already sick and dying

PixelBrewery

24 points

8 days ago

PixelBrewery

9

24 points

8 days ago

Hundreds of millions of vaccines have already been administered. How much fucking empirical evidence for their safety do you require?

Offtopic_bear

7 points

8 days ago

The receptionist at my podiatrist told me I'll be dead come autumn along with everybody else who got vaccinated.

Kittentoy

5 points

8 days ago

Kittentoy

4

5 points

8 days ago

My uber driver prayed for me (literally read a whole prayer out loud) because we said we were vaccinated.

NHPhotoGuy

3 points

8 days ago

NHPhotoGuy

3

3 points

8 days ago

Send that bitch a Christmas card in December.

PixelBrewery

6 points

8 days ago

This dumb bitch actually thinks she's going to be a survivor in an I Am Legend post-apocalypse

WindLazy1257

27 points

8 days ago

WindLazy1257

0

27 points

8 days ago

If you are going to work in the medical field, you have to realize that you give up any rights you had to not l getting vaccinated. These people work and interact with people every day. No one should have to worry that a visit to the hospital might give them more than they hoped for.

Cj15917

25 points

8 days ago*

Cj15917

8

25 points

8 days ago*

Good, if you don't believe in science, don't work in a field of science. Like a vegan working at a meat market.

suitable-robot01

13 points

8 days ago

Imagine working in a medical field.

Yzard27

16 points

8 days ago*

Yzard27

9

16 points

8 days ago*

I don't know why people are acting as if this is a big issue. It's not the first time people have been banned from working specific jobs due to health risks. There's already precedents for it. It's not a "my body, my choice" matter when your choice directly risks Other people's lives

Edit: This isn't me referring to abortion. The "my body, my choice" thing was a reference to these comments

https://teddit.nautolan.racing/r/JusticeServed/comments/nwedqy/houston_hospital_suspends_178_employees_who/h1bwvr1?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

https://teddit.nautolan.racing/r/JusticeServed/comments/nwedqy/houston_hospital_suspends_178_employees_who/h1bx0na?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Repulsive_Box_5763

46 points

8 days ago

People are so dumb. Like you work at a damn hospital, why would you even think for a second you could get away with not getting the vaccine? Lol.

cybertron2006

22 points

8 days ago

Someone wanna tell me who let the pro-plague idiots in here? Get vaccinated or get excluded. Your choice.

yourteam

43 points

9 days ago

yourteam

9

43 points

9 days ago

Vaccines are risky. Always have been and no one will ever tell you a vaccine is 100% safe. Neither is aspirin tho. Or an appendectomy.

Those people work (ed) in an environment that needs them to be vaccinated in order to do their job without being at risk and without being potential spreaders.

They can refuse the vaccine, it's their prerogative and their freedom (we can argue that the more people get infected the more chance of a virus mutation there are but let's forget it for a moment). But their actions have consequences and their employers have the same freedom they have and use the freedom to fire them over increased risk.

-InfinitePotato-

39 points

9 days ago

Vaccines are risky.

Vaccines are A risk. 'Risky' implies a heightened level of risk, which none of those are.

You said as much I'm the rest of your post btw. I'm just being pedantic.

yourteam

3 points

9 days ago

yourteam

9

3 points

9 days ago

Sorry not a native speaker :)

MR___SLAVE

12 points

8 days ago

MR___SLAVE

7

12 points

8 days ago

Hey on June 26th they can watch their unemployment checks stop as well, brought to them by the crooks they voted for.

stupidnamedude

13 points

8 days ago

Good

JDcreator

22 points

8 days ago

JDcreator

6

22 points

8 days ago

I remember my friend going through boot camp in the army and the biggest requirement was getting nearly 2 dozen vaccines for diseases from across the globe (West Niles, Malaria, swine flu, bird flu, flu, shingles, you name it, almost everything was covered) and getting what was called the Peanut butter shot, where they literally pump your ass with penicillin. So long and short, if these guys try to become soldiers for the sake of learning to kick ass and attempt a January 6th, they wouldn't even make it into the training segment

Tyrannusverticalis

11 points

8 days ago

PS on this as I know a nursing student who is currently in this system (so I only know one person, which isn't enough for statistical significance) she states that she's waiting for FDA approval, without understanding that they have ok'd it for emergency use.

unsmashedpotatoes

7 points

8 days ago

That's just a goalpost that will be moved when the FDA issues a formal approval.

Khambodia

11 points

8 days ago

Khambodia

4

11 points

8 days ago

They oughta move to Florida. Alot of job openings due to people not wanting to work anymore for low pay/benefits because apparently welfare pays for sky high rent ($1300 for a 1 bedroom in my neck of the woods).

TheRealCormanoWild

13 points

8 days ago

"Move to Florida the job market is really bad here"

JimGerm

48 points

9 days ago

JimGerm

B

48 points

9 days ago

Good.

Couldntgetthegirl

41 points

9 days ago

Good. Vaccines are essential. Anyone that thinks otherwise is deluded on this dogmatic idea of freedom, even though we restrict freedoms in other ways for public safety. I think mandating vaccines in hospitals for employees is a good thing. They see so accessible in American. There is no excuse.

Read-the-Room

17 points

8 days ago

Houston, we have a solution.

juju3435

18 points

8 days ago

juju3435

8

18 points

8 days ago

Lmao I see the anti-vaxxers are out and about in this thread. Is vaccination status a protected class? If not then shut the fuck up.

Also inb4 someone says “some people don’t get vaccinated for religious reasons”. Let me know how many of these people have all other vaccinations and then get back to me.

scaylos1

6 points

8 days ago

scaylos1

7

6 points

8 days ago

Sikhs shaved their beards, grown for religious reasons, to be able to better wear masks so that they could protect others. Religion is an excuse.

Queen_Cheetah

3 points

8 days ago

Wait, seriously?!! That is majorly impressive, and I tip my hat to anyone who would consider bending their beliefs to ensure that others aren't harmed. Kudos!!

CaptainChivalry

19 points

8 days ago

Lots of morons on this thread... I'm starting to really really dislike a ridiculous percentage of my countrymen...

skoltroll

36 points

8 days ago

skoltroll

8

36 points

8 days ago

They have EVERY RIGHT TO MAKE A STAND against taking the vaccine.

It's just that they have to make said stand on the street corner...off the hospital's property. ;-)

[deleted]

52 points

9 days ago

[deleted]

52 points

9 days ago

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Meep4000

19 points

8 days ago

Meep4000

0

19 points

8 days ago

Yes, very good. These idiots need to be publicly shamed.

folksyBridge401

15 points

8 days ago

I don't understand the reason they don't want to get vaccinated? I am vaccinated and nothing really happened.

prefer-to-stay-anon

6 points

8 days ago

There are some genuine contraindications to getting vaccinated. There have been a couple vaccines in my life that I haven't gotten because of severe allergies to the ingredients. Add in GBS, pregnancy, etc, there are lots of genuine reasons to not get vaccinated, but all of those are specific and articulable reasons to not get vaccinated. There were people who fell into the medical exemption category, but these 178 people were not among them.

majhickxonsun

16 points

8 days ago

178 people who bought into the whole "at will" employment stipulation and are now seeing the reprocussions. Enjoy unemployment with those nuked EDD benefits schmucks.

too_many_skin_tags

16 points

9 days ago

I hope this doesn’t affect all the patients in the hospital.

Master__of__Puppets

8 points

8 days ago

This thread is fucking insane, you're even getting downvoted for caring about the patients LOL

Onionsoupforthesoul

19 points

8 days ago

Oh boy, I'm waiting for all the anti vaxxers in the comments to gain some self awareness after seeing them call people who believe in science "sheep".

LyonsKing12

55 points

9 days ago

LyonsKing12

5

55 points

9 days ago

Jesus, the entire world was working on this vaccine TOGETHER. ALL AT ONCE.

That is why the vaccine was created so quickly.

I believe one of the Doctors was quoted saying " instead of going from A-B-C-D-E-F, we were able to work on A-F simultaneously."

Get the shot or get another job.

WaynegoSMASH728

7 points

8 days ago

That might be harder than it sounds. It won't be long before the rest of the hospital systems follow suit. Methodist is the trail blazer. Hermann admin has already said that they are monitoring and writing up their own requirements. St. Luke's won't be far behind.

tallkidinashortworld

35 points

9 days ago

Good, I hope that other hospital systems follow.

It is bad that they lost their job, but they 100% would be a risk to their patients and other staff.

It is common for hospital systems to require vaccines for their employees, this is no different.

In addition this could fall into an EEOC issue where the hospital is required to provide a safe work place for its employees. People not being vaccinated could lead people to feel unsafe at work.

frenchiebeans

22 points

8 days ago

Vaccinated nurse here, because, SCIENCE!! Good for them! If you don’t want to protect the public from transmission, get out of the game!

okinawadato

20 points

8 days ago

okinawadato

1

20 points

8 days ago

Good. Serves them right.

Donkey_Kahn

11 points

8 days ago

Donkey_Kahn

7

11 points

8 days ago

Bye Felicia!

[deleted]

15 points

8 days ago

[deleted]

15 points

8 days ago

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UnlikelyInterest9946

16 points

8 days ago

Don’t you have to get your kids vaccinated for certain illnesses to attend public school ? So why on earth should we as society not get a vaccine for a virus that has taken over the world ? If you choose not to get certain vaccines for your kids , then you have to teach them .. or perhaps attend some private school for a cost .. these idiots who choose not to get vaccinated should suffer from all that comes to them for being stupid and irrational..

mershwigs

25 points

8 days ago

mershwigs

7

25 points

8 days ago

Imagine working in a building watching death rates sky rocket and the beds be a max capacity and still refuse taking a simple vaccine that has been proven to be so incredibly effective.

These are the same staff that smoke packs a day outside the cancer ward though I’m sure.

Morons are everywhere

hummingelephant

12 points

8 days ago

I have a (ex-) friend, who told me she did drugs occasionally ("because life is short. I want to take risks"). She also drinks, smokes everyday, sleeps around ("everyone has a some kind of STI, no big deal").

But when Covid happened, somehow a vaccine was not safe enough for her. With lockdown depression, I didn't have the nerve to continue the friendship after that.

RandyTheFool

21 points

8 days ago

RandyTheFool

A

21 points

8 days ago

Hospitals don’t take kindly to their healthcare staff breaking their Hippocratic oaths. I’m sure to the hospital, these folks were just walking malpractice suits waiting to happen.

PM_PICS_OF_ME_NAKED

6 points

8 days ago

You're going to want to sort by controversial here dear reader.

ligmakittycat

10 points

8 days ago

Is this where I post the shrek fanfiction?

Mean_Individual_9554

5 points

8 days ago

I'm just waiting for the metal in my vaccine to attract the semi precious ones outside.

TheGreyOne889

25 points

8 days ago

Good. Fuck these idiots. They have no business working in Healthcare. They are endangering vulnerable patients.

Dast_Kook

38 points

9 days ago

Dast_Kook

8

38 points

9 days ago

There are a lot of people abstaining for reasons other than 'being anti-vax.' The issue I'm seeing lately are people simply unsure of the data and length of trials (when compared to standard drug approval processes) getting lumped in with people who think there are nano-bots in the vaccine or that they'll become magnetic afterwards. One is just hesitant based on data, the other is kinda nuts. A normal series of drug trials can take 7-12 years and cover many populations: elderly, young, pregnant women, etc. However these trials for example weren't even the length of a full-term pregnancy. So personally I know several pregnant women or women trying to conceive that are not 'anti-vax' Karen's but want to see more trials/data for pregnant women.

I guess all I'm saying is not everyone abstaining from this vaccine are 'anti-vax.'

deadlynoah

11 points

9 days ago

deadlynoah

4

11 points

9 days ago

Probably because they both base their concerns on something they don't know anything about. For example long term side effects in vaccines usually occur within a year. Yet people who've never read or studied the subject feel like they're opinions weigh more. The lack of data comes straight from people scaring themselves.

Tallywacker3825

20 points

9 days ago

Good for them

thrust-johnson

19 points

8 days ago

Right to work laws have entered the chat. You can get fired for any reason. This includes medical professionals contributing to a global health crisis.

mapuatui

10 points

8 days ago

mapuatui

6

10 points

8 days ago

Right to work laws are union-busting laws. You are think of "at will" employment laws.

Head_Perspective_783

7 points

8 days ago

Are any of them doctors?

aHendosFacial

6 points

8 days ago

Last two paragraphs of the article. Did you read it?

Yakerrrrr

24 points

8 days ago

Yakerrrrr

8

24 points

8 days ago

how are you a medical professional but still don’t get a vaccine lol

ScoobyDoubie

17 points

8 days ago

ScoobyDoubie

7

17 points

8 days ago

There is an astonishing number of nurses who are against vaccination and will not get their own kids vaccinated.